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March 21st, 2006

“Animal School” Feedback!

RaisingSmallSouls’ popular movie, “Animal School” has generated a flury of comments. Educators and parents have raved about the moral of the story, and it has inspired many to take a deeper and more individual look at their students and children.

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Recently, I’ve been thinking about which type of animal is catered to in a traditional school setting, and I believe it is the sheep. Passive followers do very well in school. ‘Sheep’ do as they are told, never question rules, and consistently follow the directions they are given. That’s not to say that other animals cannot do well in school… they can! Yet, most schools are geared towards the needs and charateristics of the sheep!

A father told me about his two sons, who are as different as night and day. The eleven-year-old is a straight-A model student. On the other hand, the eight-year-old is restless, creative, and entrepreneurial. Since the younger son is “weight-challenged” (is that the current politically-correct way of saying “a little overweight”?) his mother sends him to school with fruits and vegetables as snacks. The family struggles financially, and the child does not bring any money with which to buy snacks. However, at the beginning of recess, the third-grade child asks his teacher for a handfull of plastic cups. He borrows a dollar and finds a child with a 32oz. Snapple, and purchases the drink. Then he pours a bit of the iced-tea into each of his dozen cups, and sells them to his fellow students. He uses his profits to repay the loan and buy the commercialized sugar-and-salt-coated snacks that he craves. At the end of the day, he has had his fill of junk-food and several dollars in profit!

Which child has more “street smarts”? Which child is more likely to succeed in the “real world”? If you own a business, which child would you hire to work as your salesman?

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703 Responses to ““Animal School” Feedback!”

  1. Cindy says:

    Ellen, the movie is truly AWESOME! Wow! I can relate best to the eagle, as I was always doing things that I shouldn’t have done in school.
    ~Cindy L.

  2. A.E. says:

    I am a teacher, and found many of my students within the beautiful movie. It really opened my eyes as to how we try to make all the students excell at all subjects, when the truth is that they are all very different people!

  3. Janie L. says:

    Embarrassingly enough, my eyes were tearing toward the end of the movie. I don’t have kids yet- but I was a kid not so long ago… Great Movie!!!

  4. David F. says:

    Totally Awesome! Im 16 and dropped out of school last year i guess b/c i was like a kangoroo. ps- the words were a litle bit too fast sometimes.

  5. Kirk Dunn says:

    Great job Ellen. I just watched the whole thing, some really good messages in there.

    I don’t have children, but that film reminded me so much of my younger brother. He struggled terribly in school and was considered nothing more than a nuisance by his teachers. I remember going with my Mom (single parent) and brother to “open house night” at the elementary school and have the teachers tell my mom (in front of him and everyone else) what a bad student he was and how little he tried.

    The only advice these teachers could offer was for my brother to “try harder” and “settle down”. If he applied himself, he could probably catch up to the “average” students.

    Finally, a teacher for my brother’s 8th grade class suggested he be tested for dyslexia - which my Mom had never heard of at the time. It’s amazing he got that far since he was never able to read and write.

    Anyway, he was tested and found to be severely dyslexic, but with an IQ of over 150. Even though my Mom immediately enrolled him in a new school that catered to children with learning disabilities, the damage was already done to his confidence and self-image. By his early 20s he was into drugs and just a few years later he was dead.

    As I was watching your film, I remembered so vividly going to those “open houses” and looking at the children’s artwork hung on the wall. Among the stick men and simple box houses, I remember being struck by the startling sketches that were so much better than all the others. These amazing drawings were dimensional sketches of the school, of cars, of people’s faces - and they were all signed in the corner with my brother’s name.

    I remember thinking at the time, “He couldn’t be that dumb”…

    Although my brother died almost 15 years ago, your film reminded me what a special person he was. Despite his struggles and problems, he was gifted in his own special way even though he didn’t measure up to the norm…

  6. Mom of Kayla says:

    Sweet! I love it! I’d really like to show it to my former English teacher, I was definitely a duck in school!

  7. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Kirk, I don’t know what to say to your post. That is an incredibly sad story of unnecessarily lost human potential. I hope you have found some level of comfort from your terrible loss…

  8. Larry says:

    This movie really touched me- Thank you.

  9. Lori says:

    Inspiring. Whenever I watch it I hug the nearest kid :)

  10. Lynn Terry says:

    Kirk - thank you for sharing your story. ** hugs ** go out to you. I’m sincerely sorry for your loss. You obviously saw your brother for who he truly was… and that means so much.

    Like you, I was touched by the movie because of my own personal experience. As a single mother to a gifted child who had many problems in elementary school… I can relate to the heartache and frustration. My son had such a terrible time with it all, to the point of becoming physically ill - including depression, anxiety and eventually grand mal seizures. I was fortunate to have the opportunity to homeschool him for a couple of years, which saved us both from the downward spiral of it all.

  11. Kelly says:

    Hi Ellen,

    I was really touched by your movie Animal School. I have a son in kindergarten who is having some trouble. Honestly, I knew he would. He just is not a sitter and unfortunately that raises red flags in school now days. He is a sweet, gifted, smart, compassionate little boy, he just has trouble sitting or consentrating in large groups. I just got a call from the counselor today and am almost in tears. It’s the same thing that so many kids are going through now, they want to evaluate him, label him to get him the “help” he needs. My heart is breaking for him. I see him growing every year and as he matures, he can sit longer and have better conversations. But because he’s having issues now, it’s just not good enough. I see almost everyone of the animals in my son and I don’t think there is anything wrong with him just the way his is. The story and the message that you have gotten across in your movie is just what I have been trying to tell the teachers. I would love for them to look at this from another angle. I want them to see my fears and see the beauty in my little boy. I want him to be able to be himself and grow and mature at his own pace.

    In any event, thank you so much for your movie. You’ll never know how much it has touched me. I have watched it many times and wish I could have it running constantly on my computer just to reasure myself that there is nothing “wrong” with these kids. We are all individuals and that is a good thing.

    Thank you again,
    Kelly

  12. Jennifer says:

    I am a mom to six, and I just have to say that this is about the most perfect description of REAL kids I have seen. Every child is a unique individual and without each and every one of them, our world would not be complete. Thank you for reminding us all, most of all, ME as a mom, that no matter what their weaknesses, I am so very proud of the strengths…and also so very very blessed.

  13. Cathy says:

    WOW!! I had tears in my eyes ,and the chills, by the time I finished reading Animal School. Unfortunately, the “system” seems to forget that EACH child is a very unique individual and tends to put them all in the same category. I could go on and on because this is a very hot subject with me. Suffice it to say that I couldn’t agree more with Animal Story. I’m going to save it and share it with parents who have a concern about their child. Thanks for sharing it with me!

  14. S. J. says:

    So, so true! As a mother and teacher, I can think of children who remind me of each of the animals in the movie. The pictures are beautiful as well.

  15. Astrid says:

    Hi Ellen,
    This is great. Although my children have grown I am sending this to my daughter who has a 7 month old son. I am sure she will appreciate it. Thanks.

  16. George says:

    Hi Ellen,

    Have shared this with as many people as I can, it’s awesome.

    My daughter is the fish in so many ways :)

  17. Jane says:

    The film is amazing - thank you. Will have to share it with our school SENco.

  18. C.H. says:

    Ellen, congratulations on creating such an important movie about the differences of children and their educational needs. Just today, after years of frustration and anxiety, we were told that our child has a learning disability and that he has been ‘acting out’ because he just doesn’t understand the work expected of him, so he shuts down and refuses to work. Reading Kirk’s story only added to my tears from your movie. They are my worst fears.

    I hope, after being ‘armed’ with today’s information we will be able to get him the education he needs, that will value his strengths instead of undermining them.

    Thank you for this important message and I will surely pass it on.

  19. jaydee says:

    Ellen, I thought this movie was amazing. I work in a primary school with children with special needs and have emailed the link to our head teacher. I have also posted the link onto a course forum, we are studying inclusion at the moment. Someone there has asked if she can in turn pass it on - I have given permission, taking into account your comments that you hope it opens the eyes of many educators and parents. Good work!

  20. Liane says:

    Very touching and sad, too. I did tear up throughout, and that is not typical for me. The choices for educating our children are so varied and fraught with angst - that our children won’t be seen with open eyes and that their gifts will be ignored. You are an inspiration to continue to be our children’s advocate. Thank you.

  21. kate says:

    This made me cry- four years ago, my first son started school, aged just four and two weeks. He couldn’t write his name, count to ten or do any of the standard things, but his memory is amazing, and his capacity for learning facts- especially history- couldn’t fail to impress… or so we thought.
    However, at parents evening they announced he had been assessed, was streamed for maths, and that he would be in the lowest group. An experienced parent would have come home and been positive about their child’s first parent’s evening, but we were in shock, and came home to chastise him for not trying, and tell him to try harder.
    Ever since, he has believed himself to be poor at maths, even though he had soon begun to catch up, and i don’t think his confidence will ever recover.
    Our second son has just started at the same school, they have stopped streaming kids before they have a chance to learn anything, and he is having a great time- though it could be thanks to the fact we sent him to a day nursery, even though I don’t work, to help him off to a better start at school.
    My wish is that in future, kids who are less mature for their age won’t be penalised for it, so that when they come to an age where they can cope with the school day, they haven’t already endured a series of let downs, and been made to feel inferior.

  22. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Wow… lot’s of moving comments here while I’ve been away! (Do you follow my personal blog?)It is outstanding how many parents and educators can relate to the various animals in the movie. It’s as though there’s this idealised concept of the vast majority of children being everything- having all the good characteristics of every animal, and having no lacks. The children who are lacking in some area are seen as ‘different’… yet I wonder… are the children who are not lacking in any attributes the ones that are truly ‘different’?

    I recently read about a young man who refused to marry into a family that had any sort of history of depression in the family. An advising therapist bluntly told the young man, “You have a choice: You can marry into a family that has a known case of depression or a family that has a hidden case of depression. No family has perfect mental-health across the board.”

    The bottom line is that every person- child or adult- is as unique as their fingerprints, no two people are exactly alike. Like a beautiful, scenic photo that has been divided into thousands of puzzle pieces… each ‘piece’ (or person) is necessary to complete the entire picture! Everyone has their specific strengths and also lacks, that can potentially blend into a beautiful, harmonious world- as soon as we as a society can accept the “Animal School” message.

  23. Mary says:

    This is such a moving story. I am the proud parent to a kangaroo and an eagle. I never take the time to ponder such things as I have these past few moments.

    Thank you so much.

  24. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Thanks, Mary for your kind words!

    Yeah, deep pondering can do much to help us understand the truth about where we want to go, and take our children!

  25. Ali Benyominov says:

    The movie was so touching, something that everyone can relate to. I’m sure it will attract lots of peoplet. I loved the pictures and the music. I wonder if you would want to offer this slide show to schools to show their teachers on Teacher Orientation Day, I’m sure they’d be interested and benefit from it too.

  26. Luba Meth says:

    The movie is great!!!! In fact I think it is awesome!!!

  27. C.H. says:

    Ellen, I think the work you have done here is truly superb. More parents and educators need to see the special and unique qualities of each of their students and children, including the “sheep”. As to the father with the two children. I may want to have the second child as my salesman in my business, at the same time, the first child would probably make a great husband.

    I pray for all of us to love the child within ourselves as well as the children in our lives.

  28. Cindy Lietz says:

    Wow! I cried when I saw your video Animal School. It was moving to know there are others who know how important it is for a child to feel empowered in who they truly are.

    Since having children I have wanted so much more for them. I have seen from the beggining that they were not going to be like everyone else, and I celebrate that.

    But ‘fitting into the system’ hasn’t been easy. However through my own struggles I have discovered the path is easier if you stay true to who you are. And that is what I want for my children.

    Imagine the successes that all the animals would have felt if their attitudes were more like the Bees’?

    For most of my life I have lived as a Duck, just ‘managing’. Trying to fix the things ‘wrong’ with me and taking for granted what was ‘right’ with me.

    Now after many years, I have finally done what I should have done from the very begining… become an artist.

    And because I work with children and their art, I have the opportunity to empower children as well as fulfill my dreams.

    I will show the Animal School movie to my children and anyone else who wants to see it. So they can too see the importance of being your own animal.

    Goodbye Ducks… Hello Bees!

  29. Carrie says:

    Great stuff Ellen! My oldest son and I watched it together. It helps me remember why I feel strongly about homeschooling :)
    Thank you.

  30. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Cindy, what a story, I’m so glad you found “yourself”! I LOVE that line: “Goodbye ducks… Hello Bees!”- that quite sums it up:)

    Carrie, thanks for your kind words. Yes, homeschooling by a sensitive parent would eliminate lots of the animals’ challenges! How old is your son? Was he able to read the text with you?

  31. Darlene Hull says:

    This was awesome. I love things that open our eyes and give us a new perspective. I had great parents, so I have always been challenged to be myself. I have had a great life so far.

    Many international moves and interaction with other culture’s methods of school, and much study on educational processes has led me to homeschool my kids - contrary to my upbringing in a family where my dad was an award winnin-teacher, and contrary to my in-laws/husband’s backgrounds where my father-in-law was a school principle and his kids all PhD’s and Lawyers!

    We do minimal “academics” - enough to keep up, but no more - and then focus the rest of our day on passions. My kids do tons of research, discovery, and life skill development simply by pursuing their passions.

    My 13 year old is a developing film director and aquarium enthusiast, and my daughter is an artist/musician/naturalist. We are ALL ADD in this family, and the lack of school restraints has made life a joy, not a burden. I have a whole family of bees. What a blessing!

    Darlene
    http://www.mom-defrazzler.com

  32. BJ says:

    It’s so refreshing to see that there are people who understand the problem. As a teacher in a government school (usually called public school) I regularly see students who need something different. I also see up close the idiocy of so much that is required, both of the educators and of the students. I wish school could be a place to learn, and not just a cookie-cutter mass production factory, turning out dependent little clones.

    On the positive side, I also see firsthand many teachers, administrators, and students who work to get the best from everybody. It’s just hard to do that in the given system.

    I catch information best when it comes hard and fast, but most people aren’t quite like that. I’ve taught some who take a long time to “get it” but never forget once they’ve got it. One student even spent four hours at home on a lightning-damaged video recorder (something he’d never looked into before) until he had it working again. He was a special ed student. Amazing concentration and cognitive ability, when focused on a single, in this case somewhat complex, task.

  33. Sara says:

    Wow!!! Great Job!!! Animal School really moved me. I am going to tell all of my friends about it. Keep up the great work:)

  34. donna says:

    I really enjoy that movie. The picture were beautiful the words a little fast at times. It remindes me of my own girls.

  35. Denise says:

    WOW! This truly moved me. Watching the film made me realize how hard it is to be a child in a standardized school. We took our son out of public school in November and now homeschool. This transformed him from a zebra/duck/eagle/fish/polar bear/squirrel/kangaroo to a magnificant BEE!!!! Free to excel in every aspect of learning not just what is chosen for him. I’m forwarding this film to all my homeschool groups and public school parents! Brava!

  36. QHAmom says:

    I’m a little bothered by the email about the over-weight child borrowing money to buy a drink to sell for more money so he can eat junk food, followed by the question who would I hire as a sales person. I would hire a person who displays self-respect, a person who shows they take care of their whole person, mentally and physically. Life isn’t all about who can earn more money to buy things they don’t need that are not even good for them. That is a lesson we can all teach our children.

  37. Ellen C. Braun says:

    QHAmom, you have a fair point.

    What if the story had been about an ecenomically-challenged child who found a creative way to earn money for extra nutritious snacks, as him mom could not afford to fill his lunch box?

    In my humble opinion, the nutrition and lack of thereoff was simply a detail, not the main point of the story at all.

    At the end of the day, cut the kid some slack- he’s only eight!! How many of us adults truly take care of our health and nutritional needs the way we should?! An eight-year-old cannot be expected to have the ability to possess the long-term-vision of good health and override the short-term-desire for sweets!! Do you agree?

  38. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Sara and Donna, I truly appreciate your kind words:)

    Denise, I defintely agree- done correctly, home-schooling can overcome some of the standard hurdles.

    However, schooling aside, let’s think about how we treat our children as parents, not only educators! Do we sometimes expect an excitable child to sit calmly through a long trip? Have we ever demanded that our child do something because most other kids that age did so, without considering whether it was for his particular benefit? I know that I’ve been guilty, especially of comparing my younger children to what their older sibling’s ability had been at that age…. (This site is my repentance, LOL!)

  39. Christine says:

    I really love the idea of Animal School, so inspiring and encouraging. As a teacher and a mom, I still find something that I can learn from it. I highly recommend it to my friends. : )

  40. Lisa Rolins says:

    This is so true. Zack is in pre-school and the teacher he had at the beginning of the year wanted the kids to act like robots. There are 10 boys in the pre-k class and 2 girls. She and I went round and round over the way she was treating Zack. She put him in time-out for growling like a dinosuar. Needless to say she is no longer at the school and the new teacher has 6 boys of her own and the class no longer has any displine issues. The boys are allowed to be boys.

  41. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Christine- I really appreciate your kind words:-)

    Lisa- what a story! I’m so glad that it has a happy ending:-) (Hey, sometimes I want to growl like a dinosuar, lol!)

  42. Gail Simmonds says:

    I have two young children who could not be more different. My older daughter does very well in school and it comes pretty easily, while my younger son struggles with reading and math concepts needing much more instructions and practice. I found this to be the perfect way to remind the teachers and school that they must not expect all the kids to achieve in the same way, at the same pace, but in their own time and in their own way.

  43. Kunle says:

    Hi Ellen,

    Loved the video… gave a good smack in back of head… my kid’s unique… should be treated as such… as a parent you know it, but still want your kids to conform with what’s the norm… your video definitely shed light on the fact the norm does not always help kids grow to their full potential… I know now how to proceed.

    Thanks!

    Kunle

  44. Erica Kelemer says:

    Thanks for the inspiration! That was really meaningful.

  45. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Thanks for sweet comment, Erica:) And, I look forward to going for lunch again soon!

  46. Northaqua says:

    Revealing! and it was a pleasent presentation. I am a cross between the fish and the eagle.

  47. Mary Beth says:

    I am the parent of a zebra and a eagle. I was extremely touched by this wonderful film. So many children don’t fit into the traditional box designed by our public schools.

    Seems like the box is the problem, not the student.

  48. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Hi Mary Beth,

    You expressed the movie’s message very eloquently- the box is the issue, not the child! Thanks for posting:)

  49. Susan says:

    As inspiring as the video clip is, the story line is not original (see below). At the very least, author(s)should have been credited.

    http://www.janebluestein.com/handouts/animal.html

    http://www.uua.org/programs/idbm/accessibilities/worship_story_greenstein.html

  50. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Hi Susan,

    Thank you for providing us with those links! In my extensive search for copyright issues regarding “Animal School” I actually came across many different “sources” for the original story. In the end I received permission from Artscroll publications to use the variation of the story published within one of their books (as noted in the first slide of the movie).
    On a side note, public domain material need not be credited- you can use it, tweak it, and call it your own- if you so desire!!

  51. Ellen C. Braun says:

    About the fish!

    Ok, I’ve received several comments and personal emails regarding the fish in the movie! There were some comments here, although I’d appreciate if all the comments stay on this page, so we can follow along with each others’ different ways of thinking!

    Firstly, I did not write the story, obviously.

    Secondly, perhaps the author’s intention was not to have the fish represent a mildly challenged child; rather a child who was completely unable to function within a normal atmosphere, due to very, very severe physical, emotional, and/or intellectual challenges.

    Thirdly, although many teachers and educators have expressed their appreciation for the movie, and the movie does take place in a school setting, please note the title of this website: Timeless Parenting Advice!!! This is not a place for educational/schooling advice. The movie is used to eloquently demonstrate the innate differences in children, not to push any sort of educational agenda!

    A fourth point: Perhaps the fish can be taken out of the regular classroom for a temporary period of time, and then, will not be quite so “fishy” and at that point, can benefit from being in the regular class!

    Fifth: It’s just a fable!!!! It’s a fairy-tale with a message, take it or leave it! Enjoy the scenery, the music, and whatever aspect of the message speaks to your heart! Then give your child a big hug:)

    A sixth point: Please note that my qualifications for building this website are that of a parent only! (I do have a B.A. in humanities as well.) With the exception of several subsituting stints when I was in college, I have never been a formal teacher! I do think of myself as an informal teacher of my children. Parenting is my life’s passion, and I built this site to share what I have discovered to be pratical and meaningful concepts with other parents, to give and share support and advice.

    It is my hope that many parents benefit from this site:)

    If you have a formal educational issue, please take it up with someone who is qualified to help you in that area!

    Thanks for visiting RaisingSmallSouls!!

  52. Marcy says:

    Ellen,

    I am very sad that you feel that this is a school/educational issue. This animal movie has a wonderful motive behind it, however school is not just education. It is our childrens social society. They learn making friends, social classes, empathy, compassion, love, biases, gender roles and many other things there that we are resposible to teach or discourage in our children. It is not some simple, cute fairytale as you suggested. This is being shown to children in schools. I know that the message of the fish is not the main issue, but it is said that he does not belong in a class room with his peers. I for one as a parent would never want my child to believe that someone belongs away from their peers because that person is different, and any messages that are similar to this I would not want my child to hear. Many of these little suggestions overtime build up to make beliefs. So if a child hears over and over again that people don’t belong because they are different may lead to opinions later that it is ok to exclude groups of people from our societies. I would suggest that if the fish doesn’t feel like he belongs then you don’t remove the child you change the environment. I know that you are passionate about parenting and it is evident on this site, but I would challenge you to look into how seperating children can affect them worse being in a situation that they feel uncomfortable.

  53. Lauri Stein says:

    AS a parent of a son with a significant disability, I was shocked to see the fish portrayed as someone who needs to be segregated in a special education classroom. Maybe you need to be a parent of a child with a significant disability before you can understand how hurtful it is to send a message like this. I thought the rest was fine but I wish you would change the part about the fish and point out that all kids have their talents and excluding anyone is not acceptable.

  54. Tanya Sharon says:

    Many years ago when my son was 6 years old I took him out of school. He was very bright but apparently not ready to learn to read and the school environment was beginning to make him feel stupid. When he was 10 he learned to read and went back to school to the fifth grade. He is now in his mid thirties, knows how to read and write in four different languages, was well-recieved when he presented a thesis at a national conference and now owns his own international company.

    I know what you are trying to say in this story about the animals and now that I have become a teacher myself I see the need for the message all around me - for educators and for parents.

    At the same time I hope you and your other correspondents are willing to “listen” to some of the criticisms and examine the assumptions we as a society accept in all aspects of our lives about people who are different.

    It worries me that in your response you suggest that the fish cold be taken out of the classroom for short periods of time until it is not so fishy yet you would never suggest that the eagle not be so eaglely or the kangaroo so kangaroo-like.

    I find that no matter how we talk about those children who are taken out of the classroom, the real message we send to the rest of the children is that their differences are not the kind that the rest of us can associate with. In fact, most severely challenged children are never seen by those who are not since they are not even allowed in the same school. How are parents to teach their children tolerance of people they never see or talk with?

  55. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Lauri, Welcome, I believe I addressed your comments to the best of my ability in my post above yours!

    Hi Tanya,

    You make a great point. Kuddos regarding your son, and your dedication as his mother! Like I said above, I have absolutely no experience in classrooms, teaching, etc- the intent of the movie is for parents to view their child with a refreshing breath of clarity; to understand that their child is unique and to raise him/her according to his/her special attributes.

    I am reminded of a summer camp I attended as a child, where there was a special bunk of special-needs children. We did a few activities with them each week, shared a campus with them, and ate our meals together. It was a beautiful experience, where both groups of children gained from interacting with each other.

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    *****Again, this is a PARENTING site, please keep your comments on-topic; this is not the place to gripe about educational methods!*****

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  56. Carolyn Das says:

    Ellen, chastising us that this is a parenting site not an education site is ridiculous since you raised the issue of education on this parenting site when you posted ‘Animal School.’

    One of the most important things we do as parents is to prepare our children — all our children — to take their place in the community. Our schools are the FIRST community of childhood, where we all learn to work, play and to live together. Sending a message of segregation–that some belong and some do NOT–is dangerous.

    I don’t want my kid with your kids on an occasional basis when your kids get to be the helpers because my kid has such a (perceived-to-be) awful life. I want my kid WITH YOUR KIDS every day so they learn that despite his severe disabilities he is, first and foremost, a person–a person who belongs and has a place in the community right alongside of them.

    I had your experience as a kid–being a nice helper kid to a child with a disability. I don’t remember it as ‘beautiful’– I remember wondering where she was the rest of the time, why I was being praised for playing with her, and what made her so different that she had to go to a special school. I remember a vague feeling of guilt that I didn’t understand at the time. Don’t be so sure that the helping experience is so positive.

    ALL PEOPLE BELONG IN THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

  57. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Hi Corolyn,

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    You know what? I don’t know what is best for a child who is challenged!!! Perhaps in certain circumstances it would be best for the child to be mainstreamed, and in other situations it wwould be to the child’s benefit not to be in a regular class.

    I have no problem stating here that I do not know what is the “right” way to handle a special needs child… and no “right way” can be absolutely “right” for every child!!

    Can you onsider the fish to be so physically, mentally, and intellectually child that he absolutely cannot function in a regular class, (without special improvisions) due to his medical needs?

    My sister-in-law’s sister has 2 severely challenged children, who participate in all of our family get-togethers, and play well with our children.

    I’m leaving for a short weekend now, so I’ll respond further when I get back home.

    A parting thought- picture the fish in swimming class. No problems there:) Now picture the fish in running class. In flying class. In climbing class. Obviously, the point is that some special accomidations must be made- and not every special-needs child is, in fact, a fish! Leaving a fish in the standard atmosphere on land would be toxic!!

    I truly appreciate all of your passionate comments, you are all really dedicated parents, I and am open to changing my mind, and perhaps even some of the wording of the movie. How would you suggest we re-word the fish slide?

  58. Sasha Roberts-Levi says:

    Segregation is a civil rights issue … and when you are the parent of a minority child (in this case a fish) than having their civil rights violated IS a parenting issue. Parenting (just like teaching reading and writing and educating everyone all together all the time) is a political issue.

    Excusing this story because it is a fairy tale is very dangerous. Little Black Sambo was only a fairy tale too!

    I would like to share the following (which, in my opinion is a parenting issue, too)

    Watch your thoughts; they become words.
    Watch your words; they become actions.
    Watch your actions; they become habits.
    Watch your habits; they become character.
    Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
    – Frank Outlaw

    I am very thankful that you are asking for suggestions on how to reword the fish slide … I too am getting ready for a long weekend, so I will think about it and check back in later.

    Paz, Sasha
    Parent, Special Ed teacher, and Peace Educator)

  59. Susan says:

    Perhaps you are legally correct when you stated in your reply to me, “On a side note, public domain material need not be credited- you can use it, tweak it, and call it your own- if you so desire!!” Whatever your legal obligation, you certainly have an ethical obligation to credit your source(s).
    On your site’s “values and ethics” page, you question ” Living in a society in which our highest government officials and largest corporations are routinely found to be dishonest, how can we teach our children to be truthful?” My response to you: we start by MODELING - doing what is right.
    It is wrong of you to take this material and “call it your own- if you so desire.” I have to wonder: WHY do you so desire? BTW, the partial credit you do include is timed to go past so quickly it can’t be read without several replays. Why?
    One thing I want MY children to know is that truthfulness goes beyond legality. Perhaps you will understand the problem with appropriateing others’ works without credit only after someone takes yours…

  60. Jill says:

    My son has multiple significant disabilities… he’d be considered a “fish” by many.

    The fish doesn’t get acknowledged for being an outstanding swimmer and is supposedly bored because the rest of the curriculum is presumed to be meaningless. The problem isn’t the fish, it’s the teachers who don’t recognize his strengths and can’t think beyond the traditional teaching to see that you don’t have to fly to learn about and appreciate flying, or running, or climbing…

    Or maybe he’s a “bee”… Presumed incompetent based on standardized tests and closed minds. Having to prove himself against all odds. (He’s got a lot of non-conformist “eagle” in him as well…)

    The fable seemed to be making the point that all kids have strengths and should be appreciated, and that one size doesn’t fit all. So I was surprised that the answer for the fish was just presumed to be special ed. It’s exactly the kind of sweeping presumption we’ve had to work so hard against all of my son’s life.

    Hopefully, the dialogue it’s generated is helping other people to re-think those presumptions.

  61. Laila Kawar says:

    Ellen,

    Thank you SO much for being open to listen to our concerns as parents of children with disabilities, and understand our passion for inclusion.

    Inclusion is not only great for the student with disability, but it creates a real life situation for ALL students and educators. Inclusion teaches everybody patience, tolerance, problem solving, and accepting differences. Removing the child from the classroom is the easy way out rather than providing his teachers with the needed training and tools to accommodate and support him in an inclusive learning. The fish will not be bored if educators would concentrate on his abilities, and make school and community more positive and exciting.

    I also wanted to share with you a letter that my 11-year-old daughter Rasha wrote last year to a cartoonist who made fun of including students with different abilities in a regular classroom. I hope that Rasha’s letter will help explain the feelings of people with disabilities when the school/community try to segregate them. I will send her letter in a separate email.

    Laila Kawar
    “For nothing is impossible with God.” (Luke 1:37)

  62. Rasha Kawar says:

    Parts of a letter by 11 year old Rasha to cartoonist Ted Rall:

    My name is Rasha Kawar and I’m 10 years old. I feel mad and sad because what you said is not fair and it hurt a lot. I use a wheelchair and I’m in a regular classroom and my teacher is great and she treats me like everybody else and I have lots of friends and we play together and learn together.

    I don’t want to go to a special classroom because I won’t have lots of friends and its OK if we are different because this is how God created us. And you may be old and slow and have special needs yourself one day so do you want others to say you can’t come to the same movie theatre or store or restaurant?

    You need to visit me and my school in Coppell and see that it’s really really really cool for all friends to be in the same classroom. I’m sad and mad and I hope you will never never never write that again and instead tell people that you are sorry for hurting our feelings.

    Rasha kawar
    Coppell, Texas
    www.ucp.org/rasha

  63. nancy says:

    I am a special educator in one of the best school systems in the country. I could so relate to this slide show. I was reminded of the kids I work with every day. Some are with me because they are different and do not fit the one size fits all approach that is espoused in general education. I spend my days advocating for these children as they struggle to fit in outside of my classroom. It is most often the other teachers that need to be reminded different can still be of value and so special

  64. Wende says:

    This is a great, wonderful movie! I have forwarded it to all my friends.
    Thank you!

  65. Proud mom of Marcus says:

    First, I echo the comments of all of those who are disappointed in how the fish is represented. How said that the wonderful talents of the fish are ignored in order to slide in a cheap commentary on exclusion. I think what so many fail to realize is, as Laila so eloquently explained, that children who are differently abled aren’t the only ones who benefit from being in a regular classroom. The lives of those who are fortunate enough to work with these wonderful young men and women are also enhanced. To espouse that they simply “do not belong” is short sighted, discriminatory, and in my opinion questions the validity of the entire video.

    Finally, regarding your comments on education v. parenting issues. When I take my son to the mall, or McDonald’s, or the movies and children stare, laugh or make inappropriate comments - that IS a parenting issue. You see, these kids have not been educated either at home or in the school setting as to the value of differences in all children. These children grow up to be ignorant and in some cases prejudiced towards those who are different. If that doesn’t fall within the realm of parental responsibilities then I don’t know what does.

  66. Lisa says:

    The movie really touched me. I think it should be a staple in training for educators at all levels.

  67. Deborah Trejo says:

    I understand that your intentions are good and your failure to edit out the ridiculous, demeaning and wrong fish slide as a parent is surely due to your ignorance on disability issues. In some ways, you really can’t be faulted for that, like many, you just don’t know better. I am pleased though that you appear open to learning from your mistakes. I recommend that you rewrite the fish slide and maybe the fish should just be removed b/c it’s not a fair or accurate or correct message to send about differently-abled people -that they’re so different they don’t even breathe oxygen and live on land like the other animals mentioned. I think many of our special needs kids are more like other animals for which the messages are fine- sort of a bear, sort of a bee, sort of lots of things, but more LIKE other kids than UNLIKE other kids. That’s the whole point. And while it may be true that placing some kids in a special ed pull out classroom is the best thing for them, they still are part of the whole society and need to learn to be part of it and typical kids and adults need to learn to allow them and all of their strengths and weaknesses to be part of society as well. In other words, special needs kids are still breathing the same air as the “other animals.” They laugh, they cry, they love, they hunger, they feel pain, they like movies, they like to dance, play basketball, listen to a good story, to be hugged and appreciated for WHO THEY ARE.

  68. Toni says:

    I wonder why you say don’t let your child be a kangaroo. From watching this film, I’d be so much more concerned if my child was a fish. The fish in this story don’t stand a chance — oooh, lets hide them away in a place where no one can see them - no one has “seen” one before so we obviously have to deny they even exist. I thought fish could swim???

    Ah, the kangaroo - the one who instead of persevering gives up and becomes that discouraged child whose future disappears because he was not appreciated. Hmmm… sounds like chldren with disabilities, whose potential is never understood - fits into this “mold” as well.

    Yes, they really are all molds and tend to validate our society’s tendency towards categorizing and putting into slots our children. I know this film is supposed to give the opposite message but I’m not seeing it.

  69. Kate Gladstone says:

    See what one fish made with her life:
    http://www.learn.to/handwrite

  70. Jane says:

    I for one had no trouble reading the credit that was given for this story. And since there are a variety of sources for this story (I’ve heard several different variations before) I think it is great that you sought and give credit for the version you used.

    As for the fish - the story does skip over the fishes swimming ability - and that part should probably be altered. However there are children that are simply to dangerous for whatever reasons to be in mainstream public educational settings.

    As a child I went to school with one of those kids. In 5th grade he would go into rages and overturn tables and chairs, by 9th grade his level of violence escalated to the point that he once choked me into unconciousness before a teacher pulled him off of me. He wasn’t even suspended from school because he was considered “special needs.” Now as an adult he is doing time for homicide.

  71. Laura Buckner says:

    Hi Ellen,
    I’m the parent of a 17-year old “fish”. Before I had the great fortune of becoming his Mom, I was a special educator in the public school system.
    First let me thank you for being willing to hear the criticism of the fish slide and then taking it a step further - asking for help on how to “right the wrong” done by the fish slide. I’d be willing to bet that the majority of us responding negatively to this slide didn’t know how wrong it was ourselves before disability became a part of our lives. Only then did we fully understand its misrepresentation of disability and its insidious message about the need for segregation.

    My solution for fixing the fish slide? Eliminate it. Our “fish” aren’t “fish” at all! They are the ducks, eagles, kangaroos, polar bears, zebras, and bees…their disability is only one part of who they are. You don’t make a special slide for brunettes, or blue-eyed children, or children with big noses. Those are characteristics. Disability is just one (small) part of who our kids are. It’s a characteristic.

    When my 17 year old was diagnosed with a developmental disability, we were told he might never walk or talk. The education specialists recommended, as your fish slide does, that he be placed in separate educational settings so he could learn. We resisted that wisdom (there is no special life!) and treated him like the polar bear that he is. He wasn’t so great in swimming, and flying was a complete wash…but he at least has had opportunity to be exposed to those who swim and fly and knows how to be around them – and they know how to help him out in those situations. He holds his own in climbing, but running! The boy they said might never walk is a Varsity athlete, competing in cross-country and long-distance track events and proudly wearing his letter jacket with two “regional qualifier” patches on the sleeves. The track coach who fought his inclusion on the track team is his greatest fan, and his team-mates look to him to make them train harder because he never quit. In comments to next year’s teachers, his English teacher wrote “Don’t be intimidated by what David can’t do, look at what he can and teach to that…and prepare to be blessed.” My son, the “fish” has made many of those around him - students, teachers, and members of our community - better people for having known him, worked with him, spent time with him. How much would have been lost – not just for David – had we followed the mistaken “wisdom” of the fish slide!

    Get rid of the fish slide. Now you’ve got a great presentation!
    Thanks–
    Laura

  72. mari says:

    The link to this movie was forwarded to me from a friend, and I have watched it again and again with tears in my eyes, I am a home educating mom to an eagle/kangaroo cross we are part of a network of home educators here in the Lake District UK. As I look around the group of children we see I can recognise a whole ark of animals who are thriving because we are able to recognise then for the individuals they are. Sometimes life is not always easy as the daily challenges of each little one get us down but I think of this movie and my grimace becomes a smile and I remember just how special each one is. Thank you for this,we have circulated the www. address around the group and all love it. Please hurry and make it downloadable so we can continue to show it to everyone who meets us in the supermarket and asks us why our children are not in school!

  73. Stacey says:

    This is a beautiful of work except I totally disagree about the fish. Special education is a service not a place. All children belong together and it is never OK to seperate them. The others have never seen him because they have not been allowed to…when the fish is allowed to be around the others, then everyone can see that the fish is just another being with it’s own unique contributions to the world. It TAKES all kinds.

  74. Kristina says:

    I can’t believe how many people misunderstood the fishes purpose. How many of these children go to school and are set up for failure because their parents push them into classrooms where everything from schoolwork to behavior is based on the majority and their children are suffering because they don’t want their children to be labeled. My brothers child is one of these such children, they said he wouldn’t talk, but under special teaching in his “special class” he’s blossomed, he can walk, use sign language, talk and he blesses everyone that comes around him.

    My own children are eagles, it’s painful to see how they’re treated simply because they fail to meet the expectations of a basic classroom experience.

  75. Kristina says:

    On just one further note, it’s a lot easier to come to a website and blast away in anger, in disgust, in some other emotional tantrum than it is to do so face to face with the person you’re so upset with.

    Parenting is a passionate issue, parents who has developmentally delayed children are already fighting an upstream battle for the good of their children, to find them in the right place, but I agree, is this the place to fight? Is this the place to expend energy? Is attempting to shame, guilt, harrass this woman into changing her movie that much of an accomplishment.

    And then when that tactic doesn’t work we criticize her taking full credit as being decieving and not truthful.

    As parents aren’t we also to teach our children kindness, forgiveness, grace and love for everyone? Shouldn’t that start by us as parents modeling it with how we interact with others?

    Remember we’re all going to be passionate about our children, that doesn’t give us full rights to do harm with our words to other people. Especially when nobody went out of there way here to do harm to our children.

  76. Lori says:

    I guess I never thought of the fish slide as meaning ’segregation’. And I considered that all the animals potentially could have some disability or another.

    In my mind the fish never signified everyone who has a disability. Rather, I thought of all the slides as representing all of us in our perceived imperfection, actually being perfect in our own way.

    For that, I genuinely appreciate the work and considerable expense that you must have put into the movie that you share with everyone at no cost Ellen. Thank you.

    It’s interesting to see how that one slide really hit a sore spot for some of the Moms visiting here. It brings to light a parenting subject that really does need to be talked about, shared and explored. Maybe you can make a place on raisingsmallsouls where we can do this Ellen?

    I don’t think that the movie would lose it’s effectiveness if you deleted the fish part. What do other people think? The main objective and intention of the story certainly wasn’t segregation so if that is how it’s perceived it’s worth re-thinking.

    As they say, “It takes a village to raise a child” This conversation is truly inspiring in that we can discuss common concerns for our children’s well-being and come out of it with more compassion and understanding for eachother. That is how communities grow.

  77. Teacher says:

    Great emotional message for a point of few best expressed in John Taylor Gatto’s books. Compulsatory schooling is a injustice to our country. The people “offended” by the fish story are not in touch with reality. “Regular” teachers are not equipted to help “special” students. In my case, having 8 Sped kids with 8 different needs, is something that I can not handle effectively. I cheat 85% of my kids of the full education. That is reality, anyone saying anythings different is lying to themselves.

  78. Sharon Lewis says:

    Remove the fish slide!!! “The fish is a child who really requires full special education and should not be in the regular classroom.” — WHAT!?!? I join the voices of many who have already commented about the injustice of the fish concept.

    Separation of ANY child is segregation and discrimination! THERE IS NO CHILD ON THE PLANET WHO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A “FISH”. My child with a disability has the same right to be a member of community, including in school, as her two sisters, her friends, her family, and even you, Ms. Braun.

    Until we have a culture that truly appreciates multiple intelligences, and we really begin to VALUE differences in our children (the true message of this story) the sad truth is that everyone loses, regardless of the label they experience, be it zebra, kangaroo, eagle, bear, fish or billygoat for that matter. Even those who label themselves “teacher” (as #83 above has) lose out on important relationships and learning opportunities when ALL children are not given the chance to be fully participating members of our communities, including our schools.

  79. Susan Marks says:

    This film touched me in a much different way. I saw the fish as a “gifted” student with a high IQ who was bored with her lesser counterparts.

    Two years ago, I had a conference with two of my daughter’s teachers and the school counselor about her education.

    Every since my child was 2 or 3, she’s been facinated with numbers and science. At 9, she was helping her older siblings with algebra and by 11 she was helping her brother in college calculus. Beyond balancing her school works, she also loves classical piano and has won a number of local and state competitions.

    The “meeting” her teachers had with me was very upsetting. They were suggesting that I consider a private school that could cater to my daughter’s advanced scholastic needs. Just because she was “gifted” (I hate that word!), they wanted to “get rid her”.

    Molly’s math teacher was concerned because she couldn’t challenge Molly with the regular class material and that she was continually being picked on by other kids as a “geek”. She had quit answering questions in class and routinely said she “forgot” her homework in class, only to drop it off later when none of her classmates were around. She even refused to play at the school recitals and talent show anymore.

    My husband and I talked about it and decided that it was better for Molly to endure a little social alientation than be permanently exiled to some “smart kid” school where only geeks attend.

    After two years, things are so much better. We got Molly to give up that damn piano and got her to join the cheerleading squad. We’ve limited studying to only 30 minutes a day and forbade her from helping any of her siblings or friends with their math homework.

    The best part - she’s quit talking about college anymore (that’ll save a ton of money) and is looking forward to a career at the local nail salon. She dating a nice boy now, so maybe she’ll get knocked up soon and get married at 18 like I did.

    Separation of ANY child is segregation and discrimination!

    - I so agree. Why should my kid receive special treatment just for being smart? There’s enough smart people around already…

  80. Stacey says:

    Teacher if you are a regular education teacher and have 8 special needs kids, then your classroom is overpopulated. I have seen this happen many times–it shows you’re a good teacher or perhaps that your school district abuses you, but it is not fair to you or the children. The latest census says about 20% of population has a disability (I think 100%) and 12% has severe disability. Your classroom should consist of no more than 12% of children with a disability. Look to your administrators and education agencies to blame, not parents. Why is it our children can function in the world, but not school? Regular education teachers are supposed to teach children. period. Unfortunately that is not the ethical standard, so there is a law that requires public education agencies to educate all children. That is reality. We are all teachers, we are all learners. That is reality. Granted I am not good at math, but I calculate you should have about 65 kids in your class if 8 are special needs…Don’t blame the parents. Our children have as much right to an education as any other child–an education is just as important to one child as it is to another. That is reality. Everyone has the right to learn to read. That is reality. No-one has a right to segregate in the name of making it easier for the system. That is the law.

  81. Kirk Dunn says:

    I was one of the first people to post on this feedback thread (#5), and I am really shocked by some of the comments I’ve read here. Do you really think this movie is advocating segregation? C’mon, that just being silly isn’t it?

    From my interpretation, the movie is clearly not advocating the segregation of children with physically disabilities. All reasonable people agree that kids with physical disabilities should absolutely be in classrooms right along side everyone else. If they need a ramp - don’t bitch - start pouring the concrete.

    However, desegregating children with mentally disabilities is another matter entirely. I can’t believe anybody with any love for their child would advocate placing a mentally-challenged child into a “regular” classroom (whatever that is), with no attempt to address their special needs.

    Do you think kids are placed in special-education classes just so they can be discriminated against? Just because they make the other kids feel uncomfortable? Maybe it’s because special-education classes can provide known techniques and strategies that can actually be beneficial. It’s all about matching a child with the best way to teach that child - who could be against that?

    If you went to China to study abroad and you didn’t speak the language, would they be discriminating against you by requiring you take a year of Chinese first. Does it makes sense to sit through “normal” classes in Chinese if you don’t understand the language? Who’s that helpin’? You lose out, the teacher loses out and so do all the other kids in the class.

    Go back and read the original post about my brother. Tell me how “segregated” classes help him. Tell me how being called “stupid”, “dumb”, “moron” and “slow” helped him in anyway. Tell me how getting his self-worth bashed with a shovel everyday at school, day after day, created a “healthy” kid and a “healthy” desegregated society. I don’t see the point of subjecting a kid to a desegregated classroom if their self-esteem gets shot-to-hell in the process…kinda of a “win the battle, lose the war” scenario.

  82. Rocco says:

    Kirk:
    crimes against children are never OK.
    That is what some of us are so vehemently defending here Kirk–people like your brother. I have a son like you. It kills him when someone makes fun of his brother, even though his brother usually irritates the #$%^ out of him…it kills him.
    He can’t protect him though.
    Disability is a natural part of life. Everybody’s got one. Yes, everybody. And the law that protects a child’s educational rights says that “special education is a service, not a place.” That is how it supposed to be set up. It is also supposed to address their special needs (but frequently does not)
    Yes, it is discrimination.
    I don’t find they make the other kids feel uncomfortable but at first they may make the teacher feel uncomfortable. If the teacher never gets over it, the class will follow suit. If the teacher is accepting and expectant of the child, RESEARCH SHOWS everyone benefits. EVERYone.
    Your analogy of China and normal aren’t really on target either-apples and oranges.
    Research proves that everyone learns more when everyone learns together. Tolerance is another benefit–something the world needs much more of, no?
    What happened to your brother was a crime. It should never happen to another child, but it happens everyday. When everyone learns together and sees that we all have different things we need to learn and when everyone sees that everyone can learn, I think, the world will be a better place.

  83. Sunny says:

    Sounds like you have made a wonderful case for HOMESCHOOLING! Thank you. It helped me to remember why I do what I do. My children have been to public school and we have delt with many of the things this movie mentions. I am so grateful everyday that my children will never have to go through this again.

  84. Barbara Johnson says:

    My first encounter with the content of the slide show came from a document called “A Fable for School People” by George H. Reavis, which I was fortunate to received as an educator about ten years ago. I didn’t see his name attached to the slide show and wondered if he has been recognized or consulted? I know the creators of the slide show are aware of this document, because some of the wording used is identical to those written by George Reavis. However, the content has been extended, rather beautifully in my opinion.

  85. Rosie of 3 says:

    I absolutely loved the movie. What great analogies! Moving and thought provoking.

    I have 3 children. I recently decided to pull them from school and homeschool them — when my oldest came home and told me that a teacher said to him - You are one of the reasons I am retiring.” Now mind you, he was never into “trouble” and an A - B student, it was just that he would quickly finish his classwork then would move around or want to talk and the teacher called it disruptive and a nuisance - yea maybe, but you would think she would know normal childhood behavior - he was only 9. All I know was that my son’s spirit was crushed and on top of it all it was from one of his favorite teachers. After I spoke with her about the situation (and writing a letter to the principal) - she did apologize to my son but the damage had already been done. I had to begin to repair his spirit. Each time he did something wrong (whether intentionaly or unintentional), he would put himself down with negative words (ie. Im stupid, I can’t do anything right, etc). Needless to say, that crushed my heart. I never used words like that - where was this coming from. After much talking and having “table” discussions, he shared with me that his teacher would say other mean things like - stop working so fast your going make the other children hate you; just because you get good grades doesn’t make you the smartest, you need to work harder - your not making it, stop being foolish, etc. All that I had been teaching my child at home was being smothered by this teacher. I didn’t think I would be going through this because I tried to keep it positive even when mistakes where made (my example was - let this be lesson for the next time). I understand we can’t protect them from somethings that people say and that most teachers are not like this, but coming from “positive” influences such as a teacher is unacceptable. After much reconditioning of his mind, he began to see himself as he was - a young boy with ALOT of potential. He knows he has to work hard and has to set goals. He knows that he’s not perfect but has a good heart and when he works hard he will see the fruit of his labor. What he thought of himself was important and that no one should take that away. I know homeschooling is not for everyone but ONE THING IS - POSITIVE WORDS AND REINFORCEMENT!!! We ALL make mistakes and need a little encouragement from time to time. What we think of ourselves is what we become. I know at least one of each animal in this story and I can say with certainty, that positive reinforcement, a little patience, alot of love and “being there” when they are down - goes a LLLLLOOOONNNNGGGGG way. Stay positive with your words because WORDS DO HURT!!

    Peace - Rosie

  86. Menagerie Mom says:

    Well, be at peace. If you feel that your child does belong in the school classroom, your child is not a fish and that slide is not talking about your child.

    If the shoe does not fit, please don’t squeeze your child’s foot into it and then complain that it hurts her. And if the shoe does not fit her, please don’t insist that the shopkeeper throw it away.

    Let’s not overgeneralize and say that absolutely every child ever born belongs in the classroom.

    Many of us are very happy to say that we, or our children, are fish and did/do not belong in a regular classroom.

    Any child who does not belong in a regular classroom could be considered a fish. This does *not* imply any disability on the part of the fish, simply a mismatch of environment.

    Thomas Edison was one of these. He was in school for less than one month total before he began to enjoy the full special education which he needed (at home with his mother).

    Thanks.

  87. Mary Ann says:

    The movie reminded me of an incident I had forgotten, where my young son, very good at math, was marked down in class for not providing estimates as answers to math problems as requested. Instead, because math is so easy for him, he knew the answers without having to think about them, and just gave the correct answers. He would have had to think about the problem in a much different way, just to come up with what in his eyes was the wrong answer. He saw no sense in this. But he was scored poorly on this test anyway - his teacher never figured out that it wasn’t that he did not know how to estimate answers (give him a big enough number problem where it makes sense for him to estimate and he will happily do it) - it was simply easier for him to give the correct answer. He later wanted me to explain to him why he is always being punished for being good at math, and that maybe he should try to be good at something else instead. Needless to say, we have had long “heart to hearts” about this and other issues, but if I had never seen the test paper, I would never have known this had happened to him. (He is 7 years old, by the way…)Looks like a long road ahead…I, too, sobbed thru the “Animal School”…it breaks my heart to see these beautiful souls being forced to conform…thank goodness for those beautiful teachers out there who understand and try to make a difference!

  88. Eileen Mynes says:

    I homeschool because my first was a zebra. We took her out of school in 2nd grade. My second has ADHD, with traits consistant with the duck, the polar bear, and the squirrel. She’s doing 3rd grade math, and kindergarten reading. She does her best work after 5pm and approaches problems backwards. (I have been letting her!)

    The ’short’ movie lasted 33 minutes because I have dialup. Actually, I cut it off before it finished. Is the text available without the bps sucking music and graphics? I teach a class for parents who want to homeschool, and this would be great for illustrating different learning styles.

    Thank-you

  89. Karen says:

    I’ve worked within Special Education for 26 years and have fought to make other educators and even parents truly believe “All Children Can Learn”! Your video relates this belief in a wonderful way that anyone can relate to and see. Thank you!

  90. Nancy says:

    Thank you for this film. I see a lot of different animals in my child. He is a fish, too, that we are desperately trying to keep from being a kangaroo.

    I do not see the fish as being segregated. He has specific needs just as all the other creatures do. Some are freshwater, some saltwater. Some live in rivers, some in deep sea. Some of the other creatures would not fare so well in the fish’s world either. Imagine a squirell living underwater and thriving.

    As to the disability issues, if I could take my child out of the his current mainstreamed placement and have him attend an appropriate private LD school He would THRIVE and I would not for a minute think of it as segregration. It would be a blessing.

  91. Bee says:

    The “fish” should not be forced into a classroom where the teachers don’t have a clue about how to meet his needs. And as a parent whose sensory issues and social inadequacies made the school environment very difficult and as the mother of a son with HFA I don’t accept the notion that he must be in a mainstream class and suffer psychologically and academically so “others” can learn from him or have a teacher who reads a pamphlet on autism and is now supposed to be an “expert” at meeting his needs. And the video does not suggest that anyone with unique needs must be excluded from the classroom - only that there are students who would truly benefit from a classroom tailored to THEIR needs. Not tailoring the child to the needs of the classroom. LRE does not mean mainstream classroom - it means what it says it means - LEAST RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT. Unfortuneately there are those who ONLY think that means mainstream class no matter how much the child is forced to adapt to that classroom.

  92. Betzaida says:

    Ellen
    The film is beautiful, Thank You. My boy is a bee and I am very proud of him.

  93. Colleen says:

    Beautiful and inspiring! We have 3 children and we’ve chosen to be a Homeschooling family for the past 4 years now and are looking forward to everyday.
    This film says it all. I wish I could show it to every person who asks what “the reason” was that we decided to Homeschool our children. It’s impossible to put it into a word or a short explanation. I just so much believe in every child being treated as a unique individual and having the freedom to learn in a way that is best for each of them.
    I showed this to my husband and children and I still get the chills each time I see it!
    Thank you so much!

  94. Nancy Sheridan says:

    Ellen, even with all the controversy over the infamous “fish slide,” so many people appreciate and laud the effort you have made to share this special movie. Many of us do see your heart for children and don’t get sidetracked from your original intent by our own personal agendas or viewpoints. Great work…I don’t care who wrote it…thank you for getting it out there.

    The text of the film and the vehemence of some of the education-related comments just reminds me that the only reason I am doing what I am doing (parenting with intent, sometimes known as “homeschooling”) is because I want to make learning a fun, uplifting experience. I want to cater to the specific needs of each of my children. I want to help each child soar with his/strengths, not get bogged down with so-called weaknesses. I want to spend individual time imparting wisdom, encouragement and hope to help each of my children build their futures. Ellen, you reminded me of all these goals in such a timely way.

    For all of you who have your children in public school and/or special programs, the school system is understaffed, and overwrought. It is difficult for such a system to adequately meet the special and wonderful needs of any of our children. We, as our child’s best advocate, can impart everything he needs to succeed and thrive. Patience, self-control, the ability to manage anger, an intrinsic sense of being valued and esteemed…these are skills and abilities best taught and practiced at home. Then they can be practically and successfully applied in the school, work or life setting without unmitigated damage being done in the process.

    I am so sorry so many parents and children have been wounded by insensitive teachers/students, or an uncaring or unresponsive school system or society. The pain is incredibly apparent. So many parents have been made to feel inadequate by the “experts.” That is in addition to the “Mommy guilt” most of us naturally feel. I believe that each of our children were given to us to raise to adulthood for an amazing reason…we were the best qualified and equipped to do the job. It’s not the school’s job to parent my child. It’s a job I take very seriously. I’m glad of the resources available to me to glean just what I need, when I need it. I can use all the help I can get.

    Thank you, Ellen. It takes courage to do what you believe in. I wouldn’t change the film at all. You expressed your viewpoint and graciously provided us a forum to express ours.
    Now, we need to move on. To other forums if the need arises. I don’t think think is a “hot topics for debate” blog. I look forward to being encouraged and inspired by your work to come.

  95. Tambrey says:

    I too was in tears over this movie…but I have to also agree with David F, the 16 year old…the words go by a bit fast at times…

    I see my son, 16 today, in all of the animals…he was diagnosed with ADHD at around 8 years of age, and just recently, with BiPolar…the school does not understand nor do they seem willing to understand…

    They do not see my son’s creative and passionate side…he can write, he is a published poet…he can draw…he is sensitive…I had a son that was stillborn 2 years before my son was born…when we were designing his class ring online this past fall, he said he wanted ths initials on the ring to be KB…I asked why that when it was not his initials…he said, “I want Kody’s initials on my ring because he will never get to wear one for himself.”

    We currently have an attorney working wiht us to get the school to work with my son…but it should have never gotten this far…any “good teacher” would do what I need to ask for in a 504 or IEP…

    Thank you…BTW…I did send this to a few of the teachers, and our PTO is going to do seminars athis next year on things like ADHD, BiPolar, Autism, Dyslexia, “Kids-At-Risk”, etc…we would love to use this video as something to be playing over and over while people are coming in, and when we get ready for the seminars to begin…

    Tambrey

  96. Amy says:

    TY for a wonderful film. It celebrates the wonderful, lush, colorful differences our creator makes in each individual of what we call the human race. Now if we could just extend the effort to work with these differences in patience and humility. My children range from 29 and 23 (public school) to 8 (homeschooled). How the world has changed. Looking at our youngest son’s makeup of gifts, “lag behind” areas, and overdrive energy we homeschooled. One key concern was that he would be given the express ticket to medication and many visits to the detention while not being allowed to go at his pace… ahead or behind. My gut tells me that 1/3 of our little boys were not created to need medication. The day may come when he does need medication of some sort and we will provide for that. PLEASE hear this from one who has gone the distance and has hindsight. My oldest at 8 was medicated (for another condition). We had two very unhappy years in school and home before we took her off the medication. It took a while for her to recover her confidence. Ultimately, it’s been found that this drug was ineffective and the dose she was put on would level an adult! At 8 she did not have the skills to express to her parents or her doctor what the side effects were doing to her! THIS GIVES ME PAUSE to consider how we will deal with our son. He’s exhausting and delightful at the same time. I see him becoming a mover and a shaker as an adult with optimism that never quits.
    PS - This film is not just describing children. Next time some adult rubs us the wrong way….. remember we’re all different animals.

  97. Lisa and Shyan says:

    I’m truly inspired by this movie and feel I should watch it every moring before our school starts.
    I forwarded it to my 10 year old daughter and this is what she e-mailed back to me, mind you, she’s not the sentimental type. “That was very pretty, It made me smile a whole lot and I appreciate you even more then I just did!” Now, that was nice.

  98. Jennifer says:

    I loved the movie and the message. I don’t feel he fish’s need for “special education” has to mean that the child who is like the fish is necessarily disabled in any way.

    In fact, when I first saw the fish, I thought of all the “gifted” students who do not need to be taught the same old stuff and would thrive in a “special ed.” class. Special because it would cater to what that child needs and in a manner that that child could actually learn and not become bored.

    What is so great about being in a “regular” class that makes the last two people to respond so angry about the fish?

    I think trying to lump everyone together doen’t work either.

  99. Joelle says:

    I cried watching this movie. As it moved through each animal, I was reminded yet again of the many reasons why I decided to homeschool my son: so he wouldn’t become a sheep, wouldn’t get in trouble all the time for doing things the way it made sense to him, but not to the teachers. I wouldn’t give up for homeschool for anything, knowing that I am guiding my son to the good life, without as many distracting voices as would be the case if he were in public/private school.

  100. Loretta says:

    animal schol is a wonderful insight for those who sometimes seem to doubt the wonderfulness that is our children! I am a home educating parent of 4 totally individual little creatures and think they are fantastic, I will be showing animal school to the Grandparents and anyone out there who evers questions “how are the chldren doing??”
    Loretta

  101. Joelle says:

    Loretta, good point about showing the grandparents. I think I’ll have to forward the link to my mother. She’s mostly unsupportive of homeschool, although most of her worries are about inane things, like “Will he be able to go to a prom?” (This about a 7.5yr old lol)

  102. J'Lynn Allred says:

    I absolutely loved the movie. We are all very unique and should rejoice in our differences. I have 4 children and each is very intelligent in their own way. It would be a very boring world if we were all the same. I loved the scenery in the movie. It was very calming and peaceful. This movie should be viewed by all educators. I know it would open alot of eyes.

  103. Ellen C. Braun says:

    Thank you all for your comments; it’s easy to read the sincerity within each word you have posted.

    I like the analogy of the fish being an intelligent child who is bored. We’re probably all using Windows on our computers right now… we all know that Bill Gates dropped out of college, very likely because ‘he was bored’! Could Mr. Gates personify a fish? I believe so!

    Thankfully, I did fairly well in school as a child. However, I I wonder what would have happened to me if music had been a required class. I’m at the tone-deaf end of the spectrum regarding musical ability;) In fact, I asked my husband to help me choose the music for the Animal School movie, as I did not trust myself! If I had had to take music classes as a child- there is no question in my mind- I’d have been a very discouraged squirrel!