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December 27th, 2006

Should Parents Snoop on Their Kids?

Should Parents Snoop on Their Kids?

By: Mona R. Spiegel, Ph.D.

The Question

Our primary job as parents is to keep our children safe. Are we permitted to “snoop” on them in order to protect them from harm? Should we read their diaries, listen to their phone conversations, and check their email log?

The Court Case

Before you answer the question, be aware of your legal rights. The State Supreme Court of Washington, as described in the Seattle Times, unanimously reversed a 2000 robbery conviction in a case that was based in part on the testimony of a mother and what she heard in a telephone conversation between her daughter and her daughter’s friend.

The mother, Carmen Dixon, reportedly heard the friend discuss the robbery and even took notes of the conversation as she listened to it. By reversing the conviction, the Supreme Court is saying that it’s a crime to eavesdrop on anybody’s private conversation, including that of children. Although the attorneys cited provisions in the federal wiretap law that allow parents to listen to their children’s conversations, in Washington State there is “no such parental exception and no Washington court has ever implied such an exception,” according to the court opinion.

Will we get into trouble for performing our parental duty? Are there limits to our parental prerogative?

The Debate

My son, Tommy, doesn’t talk to me. If I ask him about school he says “It’s fine,” even though I don’t see him doing any work and his teachers report that he’s not handing in his assignments. He’s very irritable and is constantly fighting with his siblings. Lately, he spends almost all of his time in his room, listening to music or on the phone. He doesn’t respond if I ask him about his friends, where they’re going, or when they’ll be back. I’m happy that he still comes home at night.

Parents are in agony when left in the dark about a child’s activities. Who knows what he is doing! Is he involved with the “wrong” type of peer group? Is he hurting himself by engaging in behavior that is dangerous, either physically or emotionally, or illegal? What is a parent to do?

On the one hand, maybe we should just control our anxious thoughts and feelings. After all, we parents recognize our teenagers’ desire for privacy. They need time to be alone, space for their possessions, and the knowledge that we won’t pry into their lives. We want to have a relationship of trust and respect with them. We also want them to become increasingly independent so that they may be prepared for adulthood. If we control their lives too much we might impair their decision-making ability and hinder them from attaining the self-confidence to make the important decisions that lie ahead.

On the other hand, are we being naïve and foolish if we don’t snoop on our children?

To determine what to do, let’s examine what we mean by snooping. To snoop, according to the dictionary, is “to pry into other people’s business or affairs, especially in a furtive way.” Thus you are snooping when you monitor your children’s activities without their knowledge or expectations. That secretive activity implies that you don’t trust your child.

When There is Trouble

Are you indeed worried about your child? Do you have just cause for concern or are you overreacting to behavior that is normal for your child’s age?

My daughter, Mimi, likes to talk. She’s on the phone for hours every night. She’s even willing to pay for her own phone line. She won’t let me hear a word of her conversation. She goes to sleep way after I do. She runs to shop with her friends and hardly spends any time with the family. She’s very talkative around her peers and is nice to her siblings, but she barely talks to me. Although her teachers report that she participates in class, she’s quiet and withdrawn at the dinner table.

It is often difficult to discern whether the behaviors that we see are problematic. What are the possible causes for concern? They include any change in a child’s behavior, school grades, hygiene, friends or sleeping and eating habits. We’re not talking about Mimi’s self-centeredness or her late hours. These behaviors are typical of teenagers. But Tommy’s late hours combined with his recent irritability, withdrawal and poor performance may indeed be a red flag for trouble.

If you suspect that something serious may be happening then, most experts agree, it’s ok to snoop. Search Tommy’s room for any clue that indicates that he is leading a secret life. You are doing so out of fear for his safety, not because you are a nosy, controlling parent.

If upon investigation you do find something inappropriate, it’s time to consult with a professional as to the best course of action. You will also need to confront Tommy directly about it. But plan your conversation carefully. Make sure that you control your emotions and convey your worry, not your anger. Have an agenda in mind of what you want to say. State (1) why you were concerned; (2) what you found; and (3) what you will do about it.

Above all, show that you care about Tommy and that you want to protect him. Emphasize that his freedom from intrusion is a privilege, not a right. As long as everything seems okay – which you will ascertain by continued monitoring of his behavior – then you will not need to investigate further. On the other hand, if you feel concerned, you will do whatever is necessary to find out what is going on.

Recommendations

The best strategy is to be proactive. Get to know your children’s interests and friends, as well as their friends’ parents. Convey your interest by being available to your children; for example, by driving them places and sitting down to dinner with them. Learn to listen nonjudgmentally, and try to listen more than you speak. In this way, you communicate that you value their opinions and can accept a point of view that is different from your own.

Discuss with your child what is private and what is not. Go over your rules and expectations. In addition, clearly state that you will occasionally drop in on their cell phone log and be in touch with their teachers.

Many parents keep the children’s computer in a common room, not a child’s bedroom. This strategy facilitates hands-on supervision of their computer usage. These days it is fairly easy to check out how they use the computer, and don’t hesitate to do so. You might also want to prohibit chat rooms and IMing (Instant Messaging), and to generally limit the amount of online usage.

Go into your teenager’s room periodically - being careful not to trip over anything on the floor – and look around. You may see something that is left around by accident. Then don’t get into a battle about cleanliness. We’re discussing far more important values than a spotless room.

However, there is a very important caveat: Remember not to over-control and over-manage your child. You want all of your children to be able to manage their own lives, and the pre-adolescent and adolescent years are the training ground for doing so.

Instead, keep the lines of communication open. Sometimes they will close down (teenagers are notoriously moody and private) but you will be there to observe, question and intervene.

Finally, seek professional help if you notice an unhealthy pattern of teenage behavior and you feel helpless or uncertain what to do. Taking action now could prevent much more serious problems later.

By: Mona R. Spiegel, Ph.D.
“My Family Coach”

Dr. Mona Spiegel is a Licensed Psychologist with a private practice in Rockland County, NY.   She is also a Professional Coach who provides telephone sessions to women who do not need therapy but seek guidance concerning themselves or their families.  She focuses on parenting issues, relationship/communication skills, and life transitions. You can reach her at 845-425-4842 or www.myfamilycoach.com.

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53 Responses to “Should Parents Snoop on Their Kids?”

  1. kim says:

    I would like feedback on Instant Messaging and computer rules that others have had success implementing.

  2. Melissa says:

    I respect my children’s right and need for privacy but much like the privileges of going out with friends or driving the family car, this is something that is earned. How different would things have been if someone had checked on the Columbine student’s blog containing death threats and information on how to make bombs? Online predators, failing school work, teenage pregnancy, drug usage, alcohol use — the list of things that can potentially plague our children is endless. As a parent, it is my job to protect my children — even if that means protecting them from their own self-destruction. I don’t go storm-trooping into my children’s lives however; they understand that cell phones, email, internet usage, going out with friends, driving - these are all areas of trust that must be earned and if trust is ever broken, the privilege revoked. Yes, I occasionally check into my children’s lives and there have been times I had to address issues where I thought they were making poor choices. Parents need to wake up and be aware of what’s going on. Don’t believe me? Have you seen your child’s myspace lately?

  3. Bruce Wilderman says:

    I’m worried about my kids making the same mistakes that I did. Basically is comes down to trust issues and lack of communication. I have tried numerous ways, but they usually tune out when I talk too much. I have 13 and 10 year old girls and my son is almost 7. He is the least of my problems, but I want to set a good example. My wife and I are a unified front so they are not able to play one against the other like I did. I am able to keep a check on their activities, but the girls sometimes work together to weave a web of mystery.

  4. Melissa says:

    Having AOL, I implement the parental controls for each child’s screen name based on their age and maturity level. In general, my children are not allowed to IM anyone I don’t know and I keep up with who their friends are. With AOL, I can set timers on each screen name so when a child’s time is up, they lose internet access. I occasionally check emails and screennames that are on my child’s buddy list. I also check their history from time to time to see what website have been visited but then again, I get these reports automatically generated through the AOL parental controls. We also keep our computer in the family room in plain view. This is for accountability not only for the children but my husband and I as well.

  5. Gordon L. Dilmore says:

    No doubt you will label me as a male chauvinist, but I have a deep philosophical problem with terms such as “Women are society’s caregivers” &
    “Helping Women and Their Families.” That terminology is repugnant to me.

    The implication is that men (fathers) do not play a role in the family caregiving process and are not partners in helping families.

    I would submit that this separatist attitude is the core of the family problems we are experiencing today.

    Men are a dynamic part of the caregiving process and they should be held accountable as such. I’m talking about the entire process, not just the financial part.

    Secondly, I would submit that the characteristics displayed by “Mimi” are potentially just as disturbing as those displayed by “Tommy” and call for positive proactive intervention on the part of her parents. Her actions may be “typical” by today’s measure, but “typical” is not necessarily psychologically normal or healthy.

    We are the parents (both wife and husband)and we have the right and the responsibility to set the standards of conduct as well as the expectations for our children to abide by.

    When we don’t do that, we fail our obligations.

  6. Dianne says:

    As the parent of two teenagers,sometimes I do snoop. I have looked at my kids my space accounts both with them and without them. Maybe I am overstepping boundaries, but they seem to have a lot more secrets to hide than I did as a teenager. I did not have to contend with secret cell phone calls (one phone in the kitchen) under the listening ears of my parents. I did not have text messages or e-mail or AIM accounts. It just seems to me that kids have alot more avenues for concealing things from their parents. I feel that if I am paying for all of these things,then I have a right to check on how my kids are using them.

  7. Mordechai says:

    It’s not enough to check out your child’s MySpace. Allowing your child to have one, and to access it, is the equivalent of letting your teenage son have adult magazines and asking him not look at them. On MySpace, your friend has a friend who has a friend whose page is filthy. In two clicks of the mouse your son/daughter is viewing dirty/disturbing images without even asking for it. And once they know where to find it, they’ll keep going back.

    What to do with the fact that all his/her friends have MySpace? I don’t know the perfect answer, but you’re the parent.

  8. Libby says:

    I have an 11 year old son and a 6 year old daughter. My son has his own computer and access to the internet but one STRICT rule is that he cannot add friends on Instant messengers without my approval nor can he download anything without my approval first. He respects these rules and knows that if he ever desires something different he can come to me on a semi adult level and show cause for the change. If he’s persuasive he may win out…if not…things stay as they are. My daughter on the other hand…only has a few things she’s allowed to do internet wise…and I have to take her to those approved sites. She will later on gain the same rules (once she has a computer of her own) I have found that if you treat your children as PEOPLE most of the time you don’t have a problem.

  9. MNewsome says:

    Though I have seen undesirable content on some myspace places, it has been nothing to the extent of an adult magazine! Even the myspace website has rules and content posting regulations. However; the issue is not what other people post but being aware of who your kids are in contact with. You can only add friends with permission and set your page to private. My children do not accept invitations that would not meet our, their parents, approval. And if something is questionable or beyond our limitations, friends can easily be deleted. With strict limitations or not, my children are ALWAYS treated with respect and as PEOPLE; the only difference being treated age appropriate, not as adults.

  10. Sharon says:

    I don’t think “snooping” should be made out to be such a horrible word. Why wait until you think your child has a problem to try to fix it. I think more parents need to stop letting their kids set the standards and take back the role of parenting.
    It is a world that is getting worse everyday. And the best gift you can give your child is to have open communication. From the time they are little we should take an interest in who they hang out with and where they go.
    If we set the standard when they are young, we won’t have to feel like we are invading their trust when they are older.
    I think it is ridiculous that kids have all the things they have today without having rules to go with them!!!
    We are the parents for a reason!!!

  11. Debbi says:

    I think the bigger problem that causes this, isn’t being addressed. Why are these kids not speaking to their parents? Why are the family relationships not close like they should be?

    I have 5 children. We talk about everything…first kisses, down to who they talk to online. My kids even read to me their conversations online with their friends, and we laugh.

    I know their circle of friends, we also homeschool. I don’t snoop on my children. If they want to share a journal entry with me, then they can, but they have my promise that I won’t snoop…because I know I can trust them to come to me with anything that could be harmful. They know they are loved, they know that they can come to me, and we will work it out together.

    It’s very important to make your child know they are loved…unconditionally. So that even when they screw up (which all of us do) that they can come to you, and work it out. It’s not the end of the world, and you won’t freak out and ground them for life. LOL

    As I read the statements in the article, I am amazed at how distant some parents are from their children. It’s unnatural to not communicate with one another. I must just be lucky or something!

    LadyPoet
    (mom to 18yod, 16yos, 14yos, 8yos and 6yos)

  12. laura says:

    Well, my kids call me Snoop Doggy Dogg and I am proud of it! I have three teenagers and they know that I look at their Myspaces (I am actually on their friends list) and that I ask questions about their lives. I am sure it’s annoying at times but by my doing it openly, there is no need to do it sneakily. Hopefully, this will relay to them and they will be open with me.

  13. Lisa says:

    All this baloney about “consulting a professional” is getting out of control. Read anything by Gordon Neufeld or Alfie Kohn and do it when your kids are young, then leave the psychiatrists out of it. They don’t know anything.

  14. Carolyn says:

    This is an ongoing concern in our house. We used to allow our 14 year old daughter pretty much unlimited access to our household computer and she had a cell of her own. We felt that she deserved her privacy and needed the opportunity to explore and “try on” different styles as adolescents do. I know many of my daughter’s friends and have seen their MySpace pages and know that much of the written material is fantasy and play. The photos are also playacting - for the most part. (This has led to some very frank discussions and good dialogue between us about trust and other personal safety and friendship issues).
    Now after a few episodes of lying and a lower than expected grade in geometry, we have taken both privileges away. We feel she is not developmentally ready to regulate her own technology behavior so, as parents, it is our job to help her learn. Our requirements are demonstrated respect, consideration and responsibility. We have communicated these expectations is a concrete manner that is appropriate for her age.
    I still respect her need for privacy and will not actively snoop - unless I feel there is a need for my intervention. I agree with Dr. Spiegel that we need to be alert for changes in behavior and see any changes as the call for increased parental supervision.

  15. T says:

    Knowing who is on your childs buddy lists isn’t enough. My daughter is usually very responsible, so are her friends… But when I have read over her IMs they shocked me just the same. These are kids that I know, I know thier parents and I took away all instant messaging privileges when I realized that even really wonderful kids will say things over the computer that they would never say in person or on the phone. It gives them a feeling of being able to voice things that they might not say aloud, I prefer to just have the friends over, where they know I can hear. I am not snooping, its my house, my telephone, and my computer. Snooping by definition is gettting into other peoples business, until they are old enough to provide all of those things for themselves, its still my business. I lived at home until I got married at 25 and had a curfew the entire time, my Mother always said that grown-ups don’t live with thier parents so whenever I felt grown up I was more than welcome to move on.

  16. J says:

    T, I like your Mom!

  17. Mom to four special kids says:

    I feel that as long as my children live in my house, their activities are my business. I will say, however, that when the kids were younger I did mandatory room checks randomly. I did not know however at that time that my son was doing drugs (since resolved).

    With the kids computer time - I limit them to a certain time - example my oldest daughter is 15, and she has 1.5 hours per night beginning at 7:30pm - if she goes over, there is a rules overview that she and my husband and her therapist and I signed (she has Aspergers). I will periodically go online and check the history - if it has been deleted, she automatically gets one week of restriction from the computer. I have a list of all of her sites that she goes on and both my ex husband and I will log into these sites and check on her.

    My son, who is now 18, has pretty much unlimited access to the computer - he takes the unused blocks of time and all of the kids understand that if they are asked to get off the computer due to an adult using it - they have 5 minutes to comply - and then they start losing time. The two smallest children don’t have blocks of time yet, as they are 10 and 6, however, the older children are asked to accomodate them, as they need assistance. The only children left “alone” while online are the two oldest ones - plus I have my laptop in the same room, and generally will go into the computer room while they are on….

    Short answer - as parents we have the right and more importantly the responsibility to be aware of what our children are doing, who they are talking to, and the activities they are engaging in. I would only call it snooping if for some reason your children are not aware that it is your responsibility to check up on them… I cannot imagine minors not understanding this though.

  18. laura says:

    Snooping by definition is gettting into other peoples business, until they are old enough to provide all of those things for themselves, its still my business.

    T is right on the money:)

  19. Donna says:

    My thoughts on MySpace were a little more liberal than they are now…My 12 year old son was excited to start one with his team picture on it and thought he could communicate with his “friends”…After a couple of weeks, and a few ‘60 Minutes’ episodes on the issue, I went in to tell my son to delete his MySpace, only to find out he had done it a few days earlier…Why? He said it was “…too weird and not very nice….”. Point being that something we’re doing is working. The family basis/core in his life was strong enough to realize right from wrong. I think if parents are involved in the very beginning and stay involved in all aspects of their childrens lives, when it comes to bigger issues, their values will lead them in the right direction. They won’t always make the right choice, but by the good graces of Our Maker, and our consciensous work as involved parents, the hard knocks won’t be so hard.

    When grounding a child for poor decisions, be it from the computor or cell phone, or whatever electronic device, interact more with them during this time to invoke good strong family values. Doing so, may help turn the morality of this world around. Providing more electronic devices and allowing them to be so prevalent in our kids’ lives is the parents fault. Take back the family unit and stop the armchair parenting!

    As for snooping, if you smell smoke, it’s our job to put the fire out…quickly! It’s not easy for our children and their peers….it’s not a walk in the park on the parenting side either when their friends are allowed to do just about anything. Giving them everything sometimes means taking away important things….Quality vs quantity!

  20. Laneen says:

    These are all some very interesting comments and points of view. One thing that stood out in particular is when Debbi talked about what a wonderful, trusting relationship she has with her kids. I don’t disbelieve that she has the relationship that she claims to, but I think that it is an erroneous mindset to assume that things will always be as such and function accordingly. The biological changes alone that children go through as they mature could radically alter their relationship at any time, as well as other likely events such as extreme peer pressure, romantic involvement, or a really bad choice made by one of her children. While I feel that it is commendable that she has the relationship with her children that she does, it is not advisable to rest in the assumption that things will always be this way. She said that “I know I can trust them to come to me with anything that could be harmful.” I hope that she is keeping her eyes open just in case. The cost is just too great if she is wrong. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That is always my motto.

    I have 6 children and we have the same type of close relationship that Debbi described with her children so I do believe her, I just hope that she is not living in a suedo world of “Not my child”. I trust my children but I do not trust the world, I do not trust society.

    I agree with those that said because they are my children there is no such concept as snooping. My children and all things concerning them is absolutely and unequivocally my business! It is only fair though to be upfront with your children and let them know very plainly that you fully intend to exercise your parental right and obligation to examine and watchover their lives. If you are not upfront it makes you look weak and as a person that lacks integrity and strong morals; and it does paint you as a snoop. Being sneaky will ultimately cause the child to distrust you and have a lack of respect for you as a person and a parent and that will show through in their communication with you.

    Admittedly, even in the midst of all of this good advice, I have a 12 yr old son that readily tells me that he does not believe that I have the right to govern his life. We actually have a pretty good relationship. Who can really say that their child tells them “everything” since no parent knows what “everything” entails. But he does tell me way more than the typical male child tells his mother. Inspite of our good relationship he just absolutely cannot see and understand why I have the right to “interfere” (as he calls it) in his life. We have learned to agree to disagree on this issue but we are still working out the issue daily. I believe that he respects me because although I make it clear that I do not agree with him and that I am not going to change my actions based on this belief of his, I don’t discredit his right to believe what he does.I believe that he will come around one day soon, but until then I separate the behavior from the child. This is something that we all must do, we can’t label our children bad or good for that matter based on their behavior. We just have to show them unconditional love and keep communication open. Don’t make the mistake of teaching our children that their temporal behavior or performances define who they are. Let them know that they are great just because and teach them to define themselves based on their moral beliefs and character. That way a mistake won’t tear them down and a good job won’t puff them up.

    OK, I am going on and on. That’s all folks. Oh one last thing: Sorry Mr. Dilmore that you were left feeling slighted as a father. My husband is a great dad and really involved with our children. I honor him and you, but the truth is this is not the case in such a great percentage of homes now-a-days. but we welcome you nonetheless.

    ~Laneen

  21. Karen McBride says:

    I am the mother of 4…my oldest son has been in to email for several years now….from the start I told him that if he wanted the privilege of using email, I would have the right to read it at my own discretion..we pay for the internet and the computer…it is his privilege to use it…we have had almost no problems…I have found that children will say things in an email and on IM that they would never say to a person’s face…Both are so instant and take little thought or effort to send unlike a letter that requires much more effort…that is why I feel so strongly about reading it…He knows that I read email and that his friends’ parents read emails…we can not control everything but we can have a large level of control of this particular area of communication…Most of what he sends and receives is harmless…Our computer is in a common area also so it is very difficult for anyone to be on inappropriate sites…Karen

  22. Maria says:

    Laneen, I never thought about how sneaking around instead of being upfront with my children would set a bad example and and have such a negative effect on how they see me. Thanks for making that point.

  23. kris says:

    Growing up, my parents always told me. “We’ll trust you until you give us a reason not to.” It was a nice feeling to know that they weren’t going to interrogate me or snoop without just cause. It worked for us.

  24. Christie says:

    For me growing up, I had an excellent relationship with my parents. They were “over-protective” by many people’s standards. Can’t tell you how often we heard people tell my folks they would ruin us. My sisters and I have happy, healthy, baggage-free lives and marriages for the most part. Can’t say the same for the children of those who told my parents they should lighten up.

    There were times I rolled my eyes and sighed when my parents would ask me where my friends and I were going, who was driving, who was going along… That was “annoying” or perhaps embarrassing as a teen ONLY because it was not typical. I can not tell you how thankful I am for that now. Even while still young, I saw times when that protected me.

    What my parents did RIGHT was to befriend us kids without giving up their authority. They enjoyed being with us. We enjoyed being with them. They set rules, lots of them, but they explained the logic behind them and they had high standards for themselves, too. They loved us unconditionally, like someone said earlier, and they let us know this. They got to KNOW us and never let us drift off into our own little worlds. (We were not even allowed to shut the family out with a walk-man in our ears. If they spoke to us, we turned the thing off — immediately.) They always knew us, and we knew them! We were pals and confidants!

    I do not understand why we accept the idea that it is normal for our children to find their parents lame or embarrassing or someone to push away or shut out. They begin to push for their freedom, yes, but there should still be a relationship there. When did this become standard policy? I’ll bet if we followed societies that accepted this idea and societies that expected and fostered close relationships with their children up to adulthood, we’d find that those who expected and fostered close relationship have enjoyed citizens who make better choices overall.

    Actually, I do know why we accept this. We do it because everyone else does, or so it seems. We’re worried our children will be “weird” if we expect different standards than what their friends are used to. I say, too bad. Be weird. I was. AND be proactive about helping your children choose some friends from families who think as you do. They are out there. Don’t huddle and be exclusive, but use each other as support.

    There were three of us girls in my family. None of us rebelled. We didn’t even have scowls or frowns on our faces like I see so much these days. We made mistakes. I got in the middle of a group that was doing something wrong and didn’t know what to do, got too friendly with a young man and found out just how strong those hormones are…Anytime there was something like that, we talked about it with our parents, we all worked it out together.

    I totally agree that the world our children are growing up in is different. They have WAY too much access to whomever and whatever. My child will not speak to somebody over the computer or telephone that I have not yet invited into my living room. As long as I am legally responsible for them, they will NEVER take off with friends whose parents we do not know without giving us some idea of where they will be going and what they will be doing.

    We talk with our oldest about WHY she does not have unsupervised access to the internet, etc. She doesn’t love it, but she accepts it. (I don’t read every email she sends or receives, but she knows that I may do so at any given time, the computer is in the living room, etc.) She has some friends who are allowed a lot more freedom. Most of her friends also live by the same rules. For now, she’s not kicking against it. I’m hoping that, like me, she’ll realize that her boundaries are for her protection, not for her enstranglement.

  25. Linda says:

    I read where checking who and what websites your child are talking to or visiting are easy to find. How do I check those things? My teenage son’s behavior has changed drastically even becoming violent at times. He spends almost all of his waking hours when he is not in school either playing video games or computer video games. His father travels most of the time. Our son is supposed to have a 2 hour game limit but he will not abide by it and gets belligerent and at times violent when reminded of the time limit. I am not getting any help from his father and quite frankly, he is scaring me beyond what I can handle. He is much bigger than I am and I have a physical ailment that keeps me even weaker than a normal person and he uses that to his advantage.

  26. Laneen says:

    Thanks for your post Christie. It was excellent. It is so good to hear that your parents did all of the things that I am doing now for my children and that it worked well for you all. It is very encouraging. I totally agree with you too about how twisted things are in our society that children shutting thier parents out has become the norm. Since when?

    This is unfortunately the result of our ailing family structure in America. No one is home to raise these children anymore. They spend all day in daycare, school and afterschool programs. Then when the family is finally all at home, no one is ever really toghether. Everyone goes off into their own separate corner of the house and ignores each other. Children shut their parents out as teenagers, because parents shut thier children out when they are small. We lead them by example.

  27. Laneen says:

    Linda, I had a similar situation going on previously. I think I can share some helpful information with you. E-mail me if you want to talk about it further. I don’t want to discuss it on the board. info@victoriouslyfree.org

  28. Stacey says:

    I believe that as “parents” we are the one’s to be training our “children”. I feel that in this generation we are giving way to much free reign to our children and yes teenagers are still children. In fact having a teenager is simular to having a 2 year old, with much bigger problems.
    I have a 15, 10, 6 year olds. They know what I expect from them and we are open and honest. It’s important to have a relationship with your children, I believe if your child isn’t talking to you that they are either hiding something or something tramatic has happened to them and they don’t know how to tell you. So dig parents dig.
    As for the internet, it is so easy to access something like porn or talking with people you don’t know…something that wasn’t in our childhoods. So why not protect them. Would you let a child walk into a store and look at playboy? What’s the difference?
    We have installed “Windows live” onto our computer, it is free and your child signs in(like msn) and you can put whatever setting you want, they do have suggestions onto what level. You can also block out any websites that you don’t want your child to look at, if you don’t want to be so harsh, you can put a warning for certain type pages. This has worked out great for us. My children know what is expected of them. And its alright if I check on them. We are the one’s training them. Why stick your children into a world and not equipt them? It is our job to protect them as much as possible.
    I do agree that it is alright to make mistakes…And to be avalable if that happens. Comunication is so important…We as parents need to get into our childrens world…go watch a movie with them, play a game that “they” like, watch them play sports. My son keeps begging me to skateboard with him(haha yeah right) So I decided to be the photographer…he loves it. Yes we can still play with our children even when they are teenagers. In fact, they proberly want it more than they let you know!!

  29. Melissa says:

    I agree, Stacey. My children are 18, 16 & 15 years old. I often tell people having a teenager is much like having a 2 year old with a license to drive!

  30. Mom to four special kids says:

    Linda,

    Go into the browser and click view history - it will give you a list of sites visited, this works especially well if they have their own login. Feel free to email me off this board if you need additional assistance - diegowench@yahoo.com.

    Mom to four special kids

  31. Suzanne says:

    My daughter is only 10, so I know I haven’t gotten into the challenging years yet. While I respect her need for some privacy, like many of you have said I don’t trust the world we live in, and I keep my eyes open for papers she hasn’t shown me with notes that tell me where she’s at (I don’t have to look far, they’re lying around on the desk we share in our living room!). We read her email together. We have a very close relationship, but I KNOW she doesn’t tell me everything (nor do I want to know). But I had a lousy adolescence, and I only wish one of my parents had “snooped” a little and gotten me some help for some of my troubles.

  32. Heidi says:

    I have three children, two of which (girls 17 and 12) are of the age that I monitor their interactions with others. Being a home educator, I am with my children for many hours a day, but not all hours. My daughters both know that I will, on random occasions, read any or all text, email, or myspace communications. Being extremely close with my children, I have invested my time into showing by example the importance of our relationships as well as their future as independent, fully functioning adults. Out of this investment and example, they likewise invest in their own relationships and futures by making (biased-mother moment) excellant DECISIONS (which is really what this is about - parents caring about destructive decisions).
    I wholeheartedly believe in loving accountibility that is led by loving investments and relationships.

  33. cyndi says:

    we have three teenagers 1 has a myspace acct. the other two had them but lost there privilages as with there IM. We are very strick with it. our computer is in our front room and there it shall stay. I check there accts reg. and all there friends pages also. I routinly IM or my space with there friends. i do not do it to be friends with there friends but rather to let there friends know i am watching. I do not think you can be careful enough nor do i think it is snooping if your child is fully aware that you will be checking it routinly and that is the only way it will be allowed. Our two that lost privilages were both for something on a friends page. P.S. we also do not allow there name age city or any photos or other personal info on there page. We also had to add no words in surveys or anywhere else like sex durgs alchol and such those of you who use it will understand…we tell our children it is our job to get them to heaven and i will do what it takes. I love them and resepct them and there rights but they are children, not always known for there great choices

  34. Sharon says:

    This isn’t advice or any words of wisdom. I just wanted to tell all of you reading this that it is so refreshing to hear about parents who realize that their role as a parent is to set boundaries and not be afraid to be the parent.

    I really respect those of you who want to see your children make it to Heaven. It is incredibly hard to be a christian and EXTREMELY hard to be a teenage christian. If you find that it is not difficult, I would worry about you.

    So thank you to those of you parents who are willing to be the bad guy once in awhile to help your teen make it.

  35. JL says:

    Okay, now what do I do? I’ve done the “snooping” to find out that my 17 yr old boy is constantly being invited on Myspace to “hang out” with girls he meets (”lol”) and get romantic…my assumption since the emails are crowded with very flirtatious comments, and I see them swoon when I meet them…invitations are to hot tubs,(even sweet little Sunday School teachers) and indicate that they hope things are “over” between him and someone else….(some of these teenage girls are turning themselves into call girls; and the parents are fine with it…as long as a brother is home. Anyway, he seems pretty intent on trying to sneak away at any opportunity to see one girl my husband refers to as “the snake”. He knows we know he tried, but now thinks I can’t read his mail because he changed the password at a friend’s house….tried to throw me off by sending each other good ridance messages first. It’s been a valuable tool to thwart his efforts, so I’m almost wanting to not let him know I can still monitor it, specifically, although he knows I monitor some from home.

    I’ve spoken with him (dad has too) and his brother about how there’s a whole lot between that first hug and sex that is still very inappropriate. I’ve referred to a snowball effect with raging of hormones, but with an alcoholic dad who’s sometimes not there for him, I feel like he’s looking for love in the wrong place.

    I try to be loving, and tell him frequently that I love him “fiercely”, but you know teen boys and moms…our culture stiffles mother/son affection, and I can’t force things on him. My handsome Uncle lives a gay lifestyle, and my Grandma felt she had something to do with this reaction when she discouraged a courtship he once had with a girl.

    My gut reaction is to go to this girls home and talk to her (she’s without a dad) and tell her to leave my son alone.

  36. Mom to four special kids says:

    When kids are 17, unfortunately, there really isn’t a whole lot you can do. You can not allow him on the computer, make a list of rules that he is required to sign, and of course, YES I would say contact the father - however, my experience with other parents of kids in this age group is that the pervasive attitude is that young adults will do what they are going to do.

    I have put my mouth (and frequently my foot) in it more times than I can count - just recently in fact. My 18 year old has a very sweet girlfriend who is culturally different… Her mother lives overseas and she is here with her Dad who is a single Dad. I walked into his room the other day and they were “snuggling” on his bed watching the Princess Bride. Well, I was VERY firm about this being inappropriate - understanding the entire time that unfortunately he IS an adult. They both understood however, that I have three younger children aged 15, 10 and 6 - two of whom are “in the autism spectrum” and tend to copy (exactly to every embarassing detail) what their big brother does. Aside from the small I am embarassed look I got it went well… Also, I have had great luck with encouraging the kids to hang out at my house - if your house becomes “the spot” than you will have much more control and awareness of what is going on….

    Just my thoughts

  37. Sharon says:

    My Space should not be allowed. Why even put those teptations in front of your child so easily? They are constantly bombarded with pressure to do things they aren’t ready for and now we know of a very specific pressure (my space) and yet we still let our kids walk very close to the edge.

    I don’t get it!! I agree with mom to 4 special kids, make the place to “hang out” your place.

  38. JL says:

    I really wish My Space didn’t exist, but I also see the reality of well-protected kids who get to college and become suddenly obsessed with their new found priveledges. I allow MYSPACE only because a can log everything if I wish, and then talkd to them about it…basicly confront when it’s necessary. And the alternative is that they go on at a friends house instead. I’m afraid to ground a handsome, young bright 17 yr. old so long that he rebels completely and misses out on his current goals…college, med school, etc.

  39. Sharon says:

    I agree with that JL, and I respect that you check up on your son. I was more or less talking about the kids who can’t handle the priviledge of having my space or who don’t have parents who are checking up on them regulary.

    College can be a really scary place and I would never suggest sheltering our kids from everything bad, just being actively involved while we still have them under our roofs.

  40. Sharon says:

    Well said!! Our son is only a toddler, but I find the input of parents going through this so helpful b/c it is going to be ten times worse when our son is this age and I like being able to think about how we are going to handle things when they come up. Very good advice mom of 7. Thanks!!

  41. Stacey says:

    Amen Mom of seven,
    we too took less money and more dad. It’s a challenge financially, but your children are only young for a short time. It’s worth the time.

  42. Susan says:

    We have four 17 year old boys… and our household rule is that there is no such thing as “My Space” - it is “Our Space” and the internet is a public domain - what’s more, the computer in the house belongs to my husband and me, including the internet connection - what does that mean for the boys? That when they make a choice to go online, they are making a choice to bring what they may consider “private” into the “public eye” which might include our eyes. If we have cause for concern or make a choice to go back and look at any logs (we use chat record software, password recorders, etc.) then we can exercise that option. If we find anything we deem to be inappropriate then it comes off and we may suspend their computer priviledges for awhile. The guideline is, “if you would be embarrassed for Grandma to see it, then don’t post it or write it.”

    Their friends know that we can access their sites and we have alerted parents when we are concerned about information that the kids are posting. Our goal is for the boys to learn how to use the technology and resources appropriately… amazing, when I was a teenager we had phones with cords, 8-tracks and cassette tapes with no such thing as “explicit lyrics” and rated R meant “forget it, you’ll have to read the book”.

    They have done really well overall - they have each had one learning experience, and the whole thing has been a learning experience for us as parents!

  43. Sharon says:

    Mom of seven,

    So true… I grew up the same way and my family is still so close. My husband grew up differently and his family is not nearly as close. It is amazing how much of the way we were brought up infleunces how we parent.

    I applaud any parent who is willing to put the importance of family over co-existing under the same roof.

  44. Jennifer says:

    Thanks to all who commented!It is refreshing to read comments from so many parents who genuinely care about their kids.

    Gordon - You are not a male chauvenist, quite the contrary. Rather than shoving the role of parenting and caretaking off on the moms, you recognize the great importance of your role as a parent.

    I teach seventh grade. Quite often I see both boys and girls with serious issues because their fathers do not see the relevance of their participation in their children’s lives. Those students who have two parents who present a united front, as mentioned by Bruce, and who participate in a good relationship with their kids tend to be much more secure in themselves (not easy for any seventh grader).They also tend to choose better friends and make better choices in general.

    Regarding the comments on snooping: I agree with all who said that your children are your business.

    For those struggling with 17 & 18+ year olds and the rules in your household, I agree with T’s mom, if you live at home you must follow the rules. “Adults don’t live with their parents…”

    Many of us have/have had 18 year olds who are legally adults, but are still in high school because of they started school late (due to birthday/age) or were placed in D-1 programs, etc. This can sometimes cloud our thinking, because the world says that they should be permitted to do what they wish. I disagree.

    My husband and I have a 20 year old boy and a 13 year old girl. Our son turned 18 during the summer before his senior year. Therefore he was quite appalled when he made a poor choice and we grounded him from his truck for three days. In general, he is a good kid, but we all make mistakes. Of course he was annoyed with us because he was 18 and owned his own truck.

    We explained to him that he had not made an adult decision therefore his adult privileges were being revoked for a few days. He could go most any place he needed or wanted to, but he would have to make arrangements for his father or I to take him. We worked around our schedules some, but did not go way out of our way to upset the usual daily schedules. As advised by another parent in this blog, we used the transit time to visit with him about every day life. He enjoyed the time to visit inspite of himself.

    We only had to implement this twice during his senior year. We had a lot of pleasant days in between because he knew we loved him and expected him to make good choices. If not there would be consequences, just like there are for adults. That is real life!

    He sometimes thinks we are “nosey”, but we remind him regularly that even married adults have the decency to check in with one anther as to where we will be and with whom. It is common courtesy. I also remind him as a mom that my concern for his well being will not change. I am 41 years old and my parents still worry about whether or not I am safe and well. That issue doesn’t change, so he may as well accept it.

    To those who said make your home “The spot”, you are right. My mother always quoted her grandmother in saying, “If ya know where they is, ya know where they ain’t.” lol - I love that saying, now that I am parent. My home was “The spot” when I grew up, we’ve tried to do the same with our home now.

    I know I am going on, so just one last thing. My son stayed home to do the Jr. College thing for 1 1/2 years. He is moving out this week to go to a university two hours away. Between moving and his truck transmission going out he had no money at Christmas, so he gave us a letter as gift. (Okay, now I am crying.)In the letter he thanked us for raising him the way we did. He personally addressed each of us. If he had had a million dollars to spend on us this Christmas, I would not have taken it over this treasured letter. I know it sounds cliche, but hang in there folks! Pray a lot and hang on. The ride is worth it!

    P.S. We pray that we will do as well with our 13 year old girl. She is into the computer, phone, etc. and your advise is being taken very seriously. I have learned much today.I am sure we are headed for much excitment these next few years to come. Yippee! Here go into the teen years again. : )

  45. Kristi Kennedy says:

    I have a 20 year old daughter and a 17 year old daughter, wow, those teenage years are rough ones, but I am a survivor! My 20 year old was pretty much the model first child, pleaser, didn’t ever get into too much trouble. My 17 year old has experienced severe depression, bad choices, etc. I will say that when you have a bad feeling, definitely search and try to find things that will help you help your children. If I had not snooped, it would have probably taken us longer to find out about her problems. She is doing great currently, but it has not been an easy road. Our christianity has kept us going, prayer is a powerful thing!

  46. Holly says:

    Okay, I have teenagers of my own and they are on the computer quite often.. I also have fosterchildren who are on the computer and I can’t always moniter their every move. Although I do believe in childrens privacy to an extent, they are still children. I do have a program on my computer that records everything that they type, every instant message and even takes snapshots of websites.it records everything they type on myspace etc..(”IAMBIGBROTHER”is the name of the program, and it is not expensive at all)…. some may call it extreme, but I am trying to keep my kids safe in a world that is desensitizing our children to things that 20 years ago we would have cringed at. Yes, times change and generations change I agree, but does that mean that we have to let our kids be exposed to everything?

    I need to know who they hang out with who their friends are. I need to know what they are doing on the internet and where they have been. My responsibility as a mother is to raise my child into a healthy responsible adult and if they mess up while they are still young guess who is responsible? The court will look at me and say why didn’t you get this child the help they needed?

    I do check up on my kids, I have too and I don’t have a problem letting them know that.

  47. Deb says:

    Yay!, I finally found some advice for parenting an 18 year old. My daughter lives at home, goes to a community college and works. She has a MySpace that I’ve monitored since she’s had it (a few years). She also had an online journal which I’ve had to take away for a period of time for punishment because of bad language, she doesn’t have this anymore though. We are very close and are very much alike, finish each others sentences, etc. Now she has a boyfriend and is MADLY in love. So, I don’t matter anymore (pitiful me :) ). She has a Mac laptop that she has to log on to with a password to use. When it’s on and she is gone, I tend to snoop. I go into her history to see what she’s been up to. Yesterday I found porn sites that she has been visiting. I’m not sure if she and her boyfriend and doing this together or what. So far she is a virgin but not for long. I’ve made an appointment for her to go to the GYN to get on birth control. I realize, when you are 18 and in love, things happen and I just want her to be protected. I never thought my girls would stay virgins until they marry, I didn’t!! But this really disturbs me. I don’t want her to know I snoop and don’t know what to do. Any advice would be appreciated.

  48. Rose says:

    I have four children ages and have had various experiences. I also work with children and families every single day. My oldest I never monitored on the computer. I kept it in a public place and limited his time on it. I never had anything beyond the normal teen age problems with him. The second child basically was on the same road until I started having issues with her junior and senior year. She was sent home drunk from the prom, and I installed monitoring software right after, and discovered she had started a secret life which included a lot of partying (alcohol and pot). I restricted her from her party friends and stopped monitoring the computer (our of conflicting feelings about it)so in essense I monitored for about a week.
    She earned back her privelages, and senior year started out. Things were good for awhile, but I suspected sneaking was going on. I didn’t monitor, she was home at curfew time, grades were good, no overt signs of alcohol or drug usage. In the winter I began suspecting she was using pot and drinking again. I didn’t monitor the situation worsened and she became out of control. After a lot of work, limits, privelages being revoked, no cell phone at all for over a year and a half, she is better and in college. SHe still has some lingering issues though. I now monitor the computer. I installed a great monitoring program on the family computer. I have a fifteen year old and an 11 year old. It blocks myspace (it will monitor it for you too) but I just blocked it ..easier who needs to deal with it. It gives you all of thier history, all the websites they go to. If you notice any red flags or inappropriate ones, you can block them. It monitors all their chat/instant messaging. If you notice antying inappropriate you can block. I already have blocked a person imming my son who I believe was a predator and have come across innocent conversations about school work which turned into the person telling him they were rolling joints and asking him if his parents were home (blocked that person). When he asks to go out, I can easily review the IM’s to determine if things are on the up and up. He is doing very well right now. I also can initate conversations bc I know what is on his mind. I can set a timer for him on the computer to limit time on, but instead I have the computer password protected and they have to ask to have it on. I don’t want any of my children on when I am not at home. I think moniotirng is something every parent should do. The “wrong crowd” can now enter your home easily through your home computer. I also don’t think children should have cell phones until college (unless they are extremely responsible) and if they do they should have NO camera, NO internet access and should have a caperone GPS system. The cell phone must be monitored as well. Between the computer and the cell, kids can easily lead a secret life. IF i had been monioring I think I’d have had an easier time averting drug and alcohol issues with my second child.

  49. Esti says:

    We just had this conversation this past week. A friend of our just told us that he put a keylogger on his teenage daughter’s accounts because he was concerned about the chat rooms she visited. This was a reaction that was too little, too late, and too sneaky.

    Just the next morning at the breakfast table I had the conversation with my 10 and 12 year old daughters, to reinforce what has always been our policy (computer with internet access is at the junction of living room, dining room, kitchen of our home; 5 kids vying for computer time are very good at monitoring attempted infractions :-) — I get to approve of who they IM (only people I know), what websites they visit, and that there is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY when it comes to their SAFETY, even as teens. Also, that no plans may be made online, only by phone. They are already trained to NEVER use their actual names online.

    We gotten to the cell phone point yet, but when we do they will have GPS and be used mainly (I am not a total ogre) for contacting parents.

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  51. Maria says:

    I think as a mom we should take control of our childen because when they turn 18 they get rebell and think they could d o whatever they want since they are18 years old. and thats wht they get into drugs, gangs, etc… and then people complain why our children are like that aand think that we are bad parents but, it cause when they turn 18 we can’t take control of their live anymore…

  52. Maria says:

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